roversfan99

It was definitely all Mowbray's fault. When the owners have to raise some share capital to offset the 2025 loss, will you consider them to have regained their enthusiasm? As for some reason, you see that standard and unavoidable step as them pumping money in and mistake it for enthusiasm.

A website that just gives players random values?

Valued by who?

I dont get how it has dropped considering he has played loads of games and done well at Championship level.

Im not sure many if any Championship clubs would give a wide man who has scored one solitary goal and set up only 2 having played the majority of games in a season a new deal. Shows our lack of ambition. "Not that type of player" though apparently.

The 5 loans. Beck, ACD, Dennis, Woodrow and Sanderson.

He wasnt playing under JDT with Carter, Hyam and Wharton all ahead of him. Im not sure why that would have suddenly changed. He has played loads at Championship level, an amount to which theres nothing to suggest he would have matched here. And on lots more money.

It was an absolutely ludicrous decision but he changed it at half time and we actually won that game. He doesnt warrant a particularly strong opinion either way fron what I can see, 3 years on. Did a lot of good things including some very shrewd signings but also some peculiar things and it all middled out to a good job done overall, but not remarkable by any means. If you are looking for people to direct anger and hate at, Venkys are the people but even beyond that, there are a lot of people ahead of Mowbray in that particular queue.

It definitely shouldnt have been an "easy" road to the top 6. The side we came up with was far too good for league 1 but was aging and had only just over a million spent on it in League 1 since going down. Yes we spent £10m that summer and £5 the summer on 3 players after but that wasnt enough to turn the core of what was nowhere near a top 5 challenging squad into one where getting there should have been easy. No doubting though that he made mistakes along the way, and strangely it was the season in which the owners went full on Venkys (sell our best player, reinvest nothing, refuse to spend in Jan, refuse to even allow autocracy to sell and reinvest) that we came closest. He was a solid manager but not one capable like say a Bielsa of getting a team well beyond the sum of its parts. To not be willing to "forgive" him even if you felt he grossly underachieved from a footballing perspective again seems a bit strong and personal.

I dont know why you keep suggesting that they were prepared to hand over funds previously but arent now. The court case might have intensified their desperation to cut costs, but they havent willingly put forward funds for a long time. Its not the same being willing to invest as it is merely raising share capital to offset the losses, which is all theyve been doing. Which they have to do to avoid administration etc. Its just a coincedence that we happened to have one season where the Wharton sale meant that we didnt have a loss to offset. In the 2025 accounts despite the Szmodics sale there will be a loss that they will need to offset, theres no way around it. But either way, your arguments are all muddled. Mowbray was a big part of our current issues earlier. How can he be if the thing that has changed is the court case.

Before breaking down this, I still again cant get my head around why anyone would detest him 3 seasons after his departure, and would still take such great pleasure in him losing his job even now at West Brom. Its one thing thinking he did a bad job but "detest?" We finished 15th, 11th, 15th and 8th in his 4 seasons after promotion. Is that "disastrous?" I dont understand how he has in any way caused the mess we are in now. Are you blaming him for the owners having shown no interest year in year out? Are you blaming him for us still being unable to get key players to sign new deals, mainly players that have come in since he left? Is the court case down to him?

Detest. Incredible that after all of these years and especially after what has happened to him personally, youd think that hate would have subsided and would have been replaced with apathy. He did a good job, and he grew publically frustrated with their lack of investment/contract issues (common themes) towards the end. He was here too long, but he then went to Sunderland and did really well. Not worked at West Brom, always seemed strange to see him rush back so soon after recovering from serious illness. If you start implying that Mowbray was the limiting factor (or any one individual) RATHER than Venkys, then you have a warped take on things. They did put some money in, he did standard managerial spiel of lowering expectations, all managers do it, Ranieri was going on about survival three quarters in their title winning season at Leicester. Its been twisted as if they were willing to spend millions and millions extra and Mowbray wouldnt allow it. And it isnt a reason for the current day mess as even if we had, those players would no longer be here either on frees or for sales than would never be reinvested.

How do you know whose agent was at Ewood? The club clearly publicised the Hyam extension earlier and more loudly than usual off the back of the public interviews. The spin has at least worked with one.

Which podcast showed that he played whatever players he was told to?

The academy is not something that has improved under these owners and they dont deserve credit for not getting rid of it. As has been touched on, yes there will have been more graduates into the first team since Venkys took over, but that is because we dropped down a division and the standard of our team is so much lower. Players who now make the first team would have got nowhere near in the past.

We need to be ruthless, but cant because of the continued lack of investment/reinvestment. Hedges has 1 goal and 2 assists in 40 games as a player who plays in an attacking position. No matter how hard he works, he offers nothing going forward. His contract his also up. We reward underperformance here especially when it is cheaper to do so than source a decent player, but its the perfect chance to move him on. Weimann has been a good short term pick up but he had started to show signs that time was catching up on him as the season went on before suffering a serious injury at a point in his career which makes it harder to make a full recovery. With his contract up I would thank him but not offer a new one. The Gueye signing hasnt worked out. Not only do I not think he has the quality, but he is so different in terms of type of player that he requires the whole team to set up in a certain way. You cant just slot him in for Ohashi so it disrupts anything we want to try and build. In recent weeks he has also shown poor body language when he has come off the bench.

Not one for a simple answer to a simple question.

What we need in the summer is an overhaul in the attacking areas to be honest. Its the weak area of the team clearly. Dolan and Ohashi would be the 2 we would want to stick around, Kargbo still an unknown quantity but obviously keep him around. A chance to shed the likes of Hedges, Woodrow, Dennis and ACD. Gueye I would sell if anyone will pay a fee as it hasnt worked out, Cantwell there is obviously ability there but he will be more tricky to get rid of. What we will get is an entirely different matter. Dolan will go, Hedges will stay, and it will be a case of loans and cheap signings and most likely more sub par recruits.

I dont think Toth has really had much to do at all since he came into the team so its hard to properly judge. Similar to when we kept was it 5 clean sheets on the bounce with Pears earlier in the season, we have defended really well as to not need much from the keeper.

Mentioned in my review of the game. Only had 2 shots all game and one was blocked. Very limited squad going forward, Hedges isnt good enough, neither is Woodrow, Ohashi has his uses but struggled today. Dolan the one bright spark but soon to be let go. Defensively it says a lot that we had no attacking threat yet defended so well that Toth barely had anything to do, and never felt likely to concede. It was an extreme version of Luton away which also had the feeling of a Eustace performance. Gestede might not be happy as it isnt the style he insists we should play but it was again very effective.

But in an attacking sense he didnt do anything which was my point. It wasnt a Buckley game, I would agree there. No Championship game is as he isnt good enough.

The difference is, if someone asked me if I am happy with how the club is run, I wouldnt see that as relevant to the question. Its a yes or no question. If somebody asked specifically about the commercial operation or the match day experience, then your answer would be more relevant. With the regular post christmas collapses and the repeated managers choosing to leave, there are clear patterns and underlying reasons. I find it absolutely incredible that you still havent joined the dots and picked up the pattern, instead putting it down to a series of individual circumstances. And of course doing your trademark move of laying the blame solely at individuals who you consistently defended/praised when at the club before pinning all blame on upon their departure. Im not asking if you are participating in protest movements or anything here, or what you would do, just for your opinion. Simple yes or no questions upcoming. And its nothing to do with the commercial side or matchday experience. Are you happy with how the club is run from an ownership and board level? And what do you think (not did you participate) of the protest movements in the last month or two?

You said you cant stand the bloke. That is on a personal level.

The amount of hatred towards him even now on here especially considering what he has been through is absolutely bizarre.

Wasnt a pleasant watch but a very impressive defensive display and subsequent result. Obviously mathematically we can still make the play offs but it feels like too little too late and considering how bad we were especially when Ismael came in and how even just a win or two extra in some favourable fixtures could have had us right in there, it is so frustrating and all stems back to the owners. Going forward bar one attack we were totally non existent and it is little surprise considering how bad our set of attackers are. Ohashi was invisible, Hedges again offers nothing (1 goal as a regular with 2 games to go!) and Woodrow aside from a nice pass leading to the goal was well off the standard needed. Dolan was again the one who stood out, great finish and linked play well. Hes shown real improvement and his inevitable exit is another symptom of how the club is run. Defensively though, considering basically the whole game was played in our half, for our defence to ensure that not only did we not concede but Toth was a total bystander was outstanding. Batth and Hyam as a pairing were superb and not for the first time this season. Ribeiro had a shaky moment or two but in general was solid and put in one crucial tackle and Brittain was not at the same level as the other day but still very good. Having Tronstad back fully fit makes a big difference too. Subs wise, thought Montgomery slotted in very well and Forshaw had his best cameo in a Rovers shirt. Still would be strongly against a new deal and overall dont think hes good enough but credit where its due, really good. Gueye again showed really poor body language. Tyjon was a surprising sub and didnt obviously get long. With such a small squad to work with, it feels like the out of favour duo of Buckley and JRC are on borrowed time.