He is not having a good time at Forest, no denying that, being sacked would be fair. Equally he did an excellent job at Brighton. Norwich is inbetween the 2, he left them 5 points clear of the relegation zone. For both jobs you seem keen to make out that he had them in a position which is untrue and fabricated to make him seem worse than he was. Brighton stayed up in both seasons in the Premier League that he had them for following the promotion that he earnt, those are the facts. We are a Championship club and his Championship record prior to Forest is excellent. The issue is that experienced managers all seem to be generically banded together as if they are all the same. Sometimes people want excitement and something new but there is a reason why Hughton, McCarthy and Allardyce repeatedly find work and more often that not succeed. I can never understand anyone who doesnt like their team getting results purely based on aesthetics. Style is subjective, Mowbray tried to play what is deemee commonly as the right way last season, it was very boring.

I think Hughton had taken them as far as he could but he did a fantastic job there and it is unfair to do him a disservice by suggesting what could have happened when it didnt. Decent football is subjective, its all about results.

Have to see a close replay to appreciate quite how bad that dive was by Dolan.

He took them up then kept them up twice. We can speculate what nearly happened but those are the facts. I dont think in his full seasons that Potter finished any higher.

I think its a certain number of years at an academy in this country before a certain age. Ayala was at Liverpool.

I suspect his stock is much higher than mid to lower Championship after his last 2 seasons at Swansea. Hughton has a very good track record, the job he did at Brighton was excellent although his current job at Forest will undoubtedly somewhat tarnish his CV. And who you support or used to play for should be an irrelevance so agree there.

Gallagher has to be dropped, I cannot remember as poor a performance in living memory from a forward as Gallagher's on Saturday afternoon. Butterworth is the only option from our injury prone, skeletal and under funded squad to come in. Clarkson could potentially come into the midfield for either Buckley or Rothwell too.

Utterly bizarre. With Hughton, not doing well at Forest, so I somewhat would understand a bit of reluctance. McCarthy is doing very well at Cardiff. Everything is about perception, anyone over a certain age is grouped together in the "boring" category, regardless of their individual track records. Warnock is different to McCarthy who is different to Hughton who is different to Allardyce who is different to Pulis. They all get the same sort of tags, boring, dinosaur, long ball etc. I am not suggesting that we get McCarthy or indeed Hughton, neither would come, nor would Cooper in a month of Sundays. Most of the managers you suggest are what you deem to be exciting, mainly based on Rovers links, Ainsworth, Davidson (very average league record) and Hughes.

I dont have an explanation, I just dont think that FFP is the only thing stopping them from being ambitious and engaging in a genuine attempt at moving the club forward. Nor do I leap to the illogical conclusion that Venkys dont trust Mowbray to the point whereby they give him no more money yet allow him to keep his job. Venkys often lose interest to the point whereby they strip back any investment.

Straight choice again, McCarthy or Mowbray?

I dont get the loanee obsession. Of course based on Saturday, Dolan is part of it but the objective of tomorrow should be to select the team with the biggest chance of winning the game rather than obsessing over the contracts that they are on. We know that the contractual situation in general is piss poor but its a seperate issue going back to the owners. Would you drop Nyambe, Lenihan, Brereton and Rothwell?

Our wage bill will be fairly low down I would suspect now with our skeletal squad and over Mowbrays tenure, surely the fees spent will be close to a net spend of zero. I stand by the fact that there is a lot of assumption and speculation as to exactly how close we were pre the Armstrong sale to going over FFP regulations, especially as the published accounts only take us to June 2020, and indeed how much we could have spent of the Armstrong fee whilst staying within FFP. The wage bill wasnt necesssarily extortionately high, and of course there would be some wastage, proportionately our income is low and it is very common for Championship teams to have wage bills too high in comparison to their income, that is a fundamental issue beyond our club I think. My point was that this idea that Venkys are being reigned in by FFP and/or would be spending much more if it didnt exist is total speculation, I suppose it couldnt be proven or disproven as it is hypothetical but there is no sign whatsoever based on their overall reign that they are being held back solely by FFP. None at all.

Regarding FFP and how close we are to it, there is a lot of conjecture, speculation and assumption. Taking snippets from previous public forums etc from years ago. The one thing that I dont get is the theory that if it didnt exist, that Venkys would actively invest and be interested in getting us promoted. And the whole nonsense that they will sign any cheque if asked. The reason given for the lack of spending this summer in the LT by Mowbray was the pandemic affecting India, nothing to do with FFP, it just seems to have been assumed that FFP is the main hindrance. Any theories on top of that of Mowbray not being trusted with money but allowed to carry on can be filed under conspiracy theories.

To you both, straight choice, Mowbray or Hughton?

Playing "muck" is a little harsh, hes been inconsistent this season. He was outstanding away at Forest, he was very good v Swansea, he was off the pace yesterday without being "muck" but made one really poor pass that should have led to a Luton game. How much of the full games have you seen this season out of interest, and if you have seen any of the games in full, what do you make of Pickering? As a one on one defender, I think Nyambe looks far superior to Pickering who has a few times been beaten too easily, his lack of pace is a worry as is his hesistance at times. I think Pickering technically looks very competent however and is chalk and cheese from Bell who was hopeless on that front, and the way he took the ball and finished yesterday was something that I dont think even our 2 forwards could have done. Even for the goal, Pickering was somewhat drawn out of position to allow Mpanzu to get the cross in the first place and although Berry got there ahead of Nyambe, it wasnt really an error on his part. I do think that Nyambe and Travis do sometimes get the benefit of the doubt and the occasional comment regarding Mowbrays treatment of them which isnt warranted. Travis has in the past been accused of having any expression taken out of his game which is something that I have argued against, and Nyambe also has his limitations, but conversely I think your comments on them perhaps provoked by the favourable treatment are a little harsh.

I am not a disbeliever, but I also think that it is a huge assumption to imply that we were so far over the FFP guidelines before this summer that such an extreme profit was required in this window to offset it. We were always told prior that we were on the edge of FFP as you say, not that we were massively over FFP and needed such vast cut backs and such a huge negative net spend to offset it. This has all gone away though from my point regarding the theory that the cutbacks were so extreme out of a lack of faith in a manager that they have allowed to continue anyway.

There were 2 reasonable options this summer, sack the manager if you dont trust him, or give him a reasonable chunk of the Armstrong proceeds to reinvest if you do trust him. Obviously, I would have chosen the first option, well overdue. A lack of faith in the manager is in no way a justifiable excuse to turn the taps off this summer, as has happened and was my point. I don't think that is the case that they are purposely holding back funds because of a lack of trust in him, that seems a bit too far fetched.

Like us, I suspect that the problems at Forest are much deeper than the manager, the extent to their playing staff turnover is ridiculous, many seemingly from dodgy connections regarding their ownership. That being said, Hughton and Forest dont seem to have been a good fit and he cant really complain if he is let go. Crazy to suggest that he is now yesterdays man after one poor year at a turbulent club on the back of such a consistent CV of Championship success, even inclusive of nonsense about style.

This idea that he isn't getting a decent budget because the owners dont trust him is nonsensical, if it is true which I very much doubt, then why havent they just sacked him?! It is just a conspiracy based on a bit of over thinking, it is not constructive to totally turn off the taps as they have done, which has happened before and will happen again in the future. I don't doubt that he has a very mixed transfer budget and am his biggest critic of the 12m duo. He shouldnt be in a job, end of. Keeping him but not giving him a competitive budget due to a lack of trust, that would be too thick even for Venkys. We can speculate about what type of deal the Maja one was, but I prefer to judge on facts and what has actually been done rather than gossip and speculation. Received upwards of 15m, spend 500k and 4 cheap loans to make up the numbers. Pitiful.

Nonsense, if it was anyone but Mowbray, then so many people wouldn't have specifically mentioned one individual, makes no sense. He has done a poor job at Forest, but success at 4 different places prior suggest that he doesn't need to be pigeon holed as a particular type of one dimensional manager only capable of working with a certain type of players regardless, and it doesn't mean that he might not have done a better job here. Your theory assumed that there is no scope for recruitment either. To be fair, does our squad have much to work with for anyone at the moment? Needs a revamp regardless.

Was mentioned that it was another loan deal.

Presumably based on his nonsense about not celebrating goals of players that have been criticised, had Nyambe scored yesterday, he wouldnt have celebrated.

Probably because he has an excellent track record of success at this level, was hardly some baseless idea with a comparative underachievement of a manager who himself is doing a poor job.

Believe it or not, I spend so much of my time and money watching Rovers wanting them to win. That comment comes from the frustration of them not being particularly good, especially Gallagher. I am not quite sure what you are trying to imply. He shouldnt be in his job, but there is just no appreciation for how working for such shoddy owners must somewhat handicap a manager, especially working on such a pitiful budget despite a major sale.

Loan? Where has all the money gone, bastard owners?