The Vine is a fantastic pub 👌 Sadly not going today, was working out stupid prices via train and on holiday next week so watching the pennies, despite all the shite we put up with I'm still gutted not to be going though.

Neither Leonard nor Cantwell strike me as being Ismael type players, i.e. big strong powerful athletes. I'd really like Leonard to make it, he has a lot of ability imo but he's 21 now and there's only so long you can give him before you say it's not going to work. I agree though, for financial reasons alone you'd have thought the Club would be eager to give him the chance to impress

I meant he told Rangers he wanted to leave and that was that...not saying it is 100% the case and I already said the board would be happy to get his wages off the books but if he has asked to leave and is acting up like he did at both Norwich and Rangers then he would have to be moved on regardless of his ability...you don't want a sulking and not motivated Cantwell around the place

Well done all, great numbers. Been a while since I went to The Hawthorns, but WBA fans were always a nice bunch. Seem to remember a good pub (think it was neutral rather than away) which did a lovely curry, tikka on a charcoal bbq and kebabs. Think it was called The Vine

There television programs are 23rd in my best channels to watch league.

And the window after that, with venkys court case delayed for the 5th time till November.

Every so often, I see club X bids £YM amount for Rovers player Z, and for a split second, I think, that's a decent deal, we should take that.... but then my mind snaps back to our unfortunate reality

Can I just clarify this, who was version 1 written by and do you know why it went to the club, before any of those attending saw it?

Cheers Duncan, Glen et al. The time and effort put in to what must be an incredibly frustrating situation doesn’t go un-noticed by the majority here.

Hedges would be on the bench at the Wham stadium, I've seen better.

How come Ismaels put him on the bench against w.b.a, is it a game plan.

Absolutely. I still chuckle/roll my eyes at "I would sell Travisnif we got x million". Why?

Today I start my 60th season being a Rovers fan. Yes I’m an old fart but no less excited at what this one will bring. Not expecting too much as we are in a period of transition with some key players from last season missing and we just don’t know if their replacements are quite up to the challenges of the Championship. Hopefully we will still sign a wide man and striker before September to provide a bit more fire power up front but I’m not holding my breath. COYB

Edit: Miller has beaten me to it and explained it. Sadly I think it's clear where the blame lies and frankly the Club aren't going to look a gift horse like that in the mouth if they can get away with it.

I wrote what I did, as thats the way, I see it, but no problem at all being corrected on it, as just done so by Miller 11

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. In which case, I am not in favour of them leaving. In an ideal world, I would like to see Travis etc tied up to proper contracts reflecting their worth But given the current owners, that wont happen, so I would prefer to keep them, and have them leave on frees so Venkys lose more money

We are going to have these problems so long as the FF is recognised by the Club as the sole organisation representative of the fanbase. I believe it isn't, I certainly hope it isn't and I believe the owners are running foul of the new laws by keeping up the pretence. Parson, you are as loyal a Rovers fan as exists, can't you see that what Glen and others are trying to do is to enable your club to survive forever? More to a fan than paying at the turnstile.

Makes you wonder if we are willing to sacrifice academy players why would tyjon be willing to stick around if he's going to be flogged in a couple of years to the Highest bidder

Cheers Duncan.

Sorry to labour this point, but, (if it was him) how could O2G write up a completely inaccurate and/or misleading version 1 in the first place, and secondly, IF version 1 was circulated to the other Forum members bar GM for approval before being sent to the Club, how could they confirm them as being accurate but then also confirm Glen's amended version as being accurate when he (rightly) kicked off about it?

"We" as in people on this message board.

Because it is easier & cheaper to let them leave. No "pesky" contract renewals (or the wage rises that will accompany that), & creates a "pathway" for our academy players

Heard, of course there needs to be someone who will take them, but if those suitors come in, there gone.

No. To correct the first paragraph. Version 1 was sent to the club before being sent to other attendees. As soon as it landed in my inbox I messaged Glen asking what he thought of them. As he hadn’t received them I forwarded them to him. We both came to the same conclusion on them, as did others on the forum at that time.

I’m not pretending I’m fully aware of how the club is being run. That said the last page has been about cantwell leaving which is highly unlikely to happen this summer window given his wages his personality and stop start career of/when he goes it’s more likely to be in Jan if he’s performed well or next summer