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I really dont get the assassination of Wharton on here, I thought both him and Anderson played well. They're different types of player. Adam can look a bit languid but the first yard or two are in his head with him. Anderson is the busier looking of the two but doesn't have anywhere near the range of passing ability of Wharton Tuchel wants to play a certain way and in best Sir Alf style will pick the players who he thinks will best suit his system rather than on reputation alone as Bellingham is probably finding out. If he thinks Anderson better suits what he wants to do he'll probably get the nod initially but Im sure Adam will get plenty of chances in specific games or off the bench if he continues to perform in general. I like how it seems to be coming together under Tuchel and for the first time in a long while I'll be going into a World Cub genuinely believing we can win it rather than us thinking we'll never win anything with this guy in charge etc.

To be honest, I wouldn't say he was anonymous last night but many fans who aren't really aware of him and don't know his qualities like we do would have wondered why he was picked

Summed up perfectly. He will get picked more when he’s picked up by a bigger club. Even a pragmatic manager like Tuchel will fall for that simply because Wharton will be more visible. Being the best at a small club isn’t as good as being in the middle at a big club.

I thought Wharton was quietly efficient without pulling up any trees. Did he do enough to start in front of a number of midfield players ahead of him in the pecking order - no, he didn't.

No chance of that. He might do the half time draw at some point when in the area.

Assume there is more to that article if you're a paying subscriber? None of it's a surprise, stuff we've known about for years on these boards. Are there any smoking guns in the cache of documents he mentions?

I don't think Wharton had the best game. He was crowded out and not given much time on the ball. There were some tidy forward passes though. It was a real tough game for him to start against a team who defended so deep. As we know, Wharton's biggest skillset is that very quick thinking through ball behind the defence. Albania didn't give an opportunity for that I believe Tuchel prefers Anderson in that role and it will likely be that Anderson will start for the World Cup, season pending of course. Adam Wharton provides good competition. We are in a position where we have two current arguments through the spine of the squad: Rogers or Bellingham, Wharton or Anderson. We need to see that for what it is - a huge success of English youth football. Wharton has a long time ahead of him and has a lot of tournament football ahead of him. His time will come.

these stats shown in those 6 categories he was ranked number 1 in every one which would say he has been the best in those areas of the game. Anderson has been very good this season and he has been in England shirt just like he was last season and for the England under 21's tournament which we won

Bellingham and Eze were poor but somehow Bellingham was man of the match according to the poll online with the England FA of course it matter, its a quality game and result and performance matter. Tuchel tried a different tactical approach first half. Not keen on that. Anderson was more effective in the 6 role(defensive midfielder) than Wharton was. Albania was well organised, solid and difficult to break down, something we face in the world cup so this was a good test for us, I fed up with you writing off these types of games at every opportunity you get. Why shouldn't take any significant Conclusions from yesterday?

Did he 'struggle' though or are you just aware he's capable of more? I didn't get to see the game, but the ratings I saw gave him a 7 (Bellingham was a 3 for reference) and apparently the stats say he made the most chances.

As far as I'm concerned Number 8 is inside right and number 6 is left-half. Number 10 is Douglas.

No chaddy, they dont "show" that he is the best midfielder in the league. The best midfielder in the league is a purely subjective choice. Those stats used will have been pre selected, the stats are not without their flaws, you are comparing different players playing different roles in different teams with different levels of dominance and control in games, different tactics etc. If you think that Anderson is the best midfielder in the league, or has been this season, then thats fine. But those stats do not prove the conclusion you have taken from them, nor are they intended for that purpose.

or you could learn them and understand it but for clarity I will do both now.

why odd? cos I actually think Anderson is better suited to playing the 6 role (defensive midfielder) under how we play with Tuchel's tactical and I think actually think Wharton under these tactical instructions would be better higher up in the 8(box to box midfielder role). I think Rogers is better suited to playing as the 10 then Bellingham is and I didn't like his reaction at being sub. Childish behaviour

Hope he come back to Rovers one day. He would had been a legend here.

I obviously wasn’t being particularly serious, but makes perfect sense to me, as if numbers are to represent types of role (like rugby union) then why not simply have 1-11 (like RUs 1-15)?

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25626189.adam-wharton-triggers-blackburn-rovers-transfer-clause/ Jackson claiming it has been triggered, Maybe he and Nixon will have pistols at dawn to sort out who is correct I suppose it is possible that there are 2 clauses, one for first competitive start & another for 5 competitive games?

Those stats show he is the best midfielder in the league this season. He had a very good season and he is bang in form. Firstly, I'm not interested in you are skeptical of these stats and who says I follow that forest account. That is again you making assumption again. secondly, Anderson is much suited to being the number 6(defensive midfielder) in the way Tuchel wants to play but also in a game like yesterday when Albania who were very solid, defensively structure and well organised. I think Wharton needed to play yesterday and more in around the box instead of playing so deep. The Stones's experiment didn't work. more generic nonsense again from you.

Well that was an overreaction and didn't make any sense.

It was one game that ultimately didnt matter for either side. Anderson didnt transform the game, a poor Albania side had conceded, had tired and England had taken control by the time he came on. Its not worth taking significant conclusions from.

For us? He was predominantly frustrating.

I only vaguely watched the first hLf but it seemed like nobody Was passing to Wharton! He needs to bemore vocal and demand the ball more P. S. Sorry it's probably been discussed already but how much are we expecting not to recieve from him getting his first start?

The problem for Wharton last night was England wanted to build to the edge of the Albanian box and play through at that point, in the first half. He was asked to stay deep and found himself caught amongst the high sitting defenders/Stones moving into midfield. Second half was more to his style, as the Albanians went more direct and the game stretched out. He doesn’t necessarily need much time on the ball, but he does need his forward players to be finding space. Anderson is more useful against teams sitting in, as he’s busy and constantly shouting for the ball, also being more likely to run at the opposition to create openings for others. For more open games, Wharton would be the better choice to find clever runs or opportunities. There weren’t many opportunities for him to play the key balls into the forwards. Having said that, he looked like he felt the pressure, which is unfortunate. He could do well to improve his off-the-ball further, too. England had a good general shape last night and he didn’t sit well amongst it fir periods.

A fan managed to buy one and had it delivered before they took them down so definitely legit

That doesn't really mean anything though, perhaps he's being called that anyway by Eze, Guehi and Dean Henderson? He just seems so reserved all the time, perhaps it's just cos he's so laid back?