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That is true , they have wanted us down for a couple of seasons , in my view , they will make sure we are relegated this season !

It would be a hell of a throw from the subs bench

Is TGH going back to Brum in January ? I think Miller was signed for his long throw from the subs bench . But he is having to play every week !

I think it's a club policy from higher up rather than a head coach policy, he'll be brought into line at some point. Probably when they refuse to back him to any tune in Jan and say use the academy lads instead.

Midweek games for our loanees Tuesday 7pm (EFL trophy so Barrett & Olson may actually play, these are live on Sky Sports +) O'Riordan - score/update Barrett - score/update Olson & O'Grady-Macken - score/update Tuesday 7:45pm Edmondson - score/update

I think it's 100% certain Cantwell will be off in Jan so we'll not see much of him until then. This club is just a platform now it isn't a serious competitive championship outfit, just a vessel.

He is probably the next one they are forcing out due to his wages. A bruised ankle doesn't keep anyone out for 6 weeks. Also, VI said he has had a "setback" after the game on Saturday and is less hopeful he is available for PNE unless he completes two full weeks training by then. Something feels off about the whole thing.

Of course next season we will be back to no shirts at all for months on end.

We have some who think that because we spent a few consecutive seasons of our entire history in the third division, 50 years ago we are punching above our weight now and Venkys are model owners. Plenty of our own fanbase across the ages do us down, despite our average finishing position being something like 15th in the pyramid. I dont care where we are so long as the aim every season is to maximise where we can finish that year and make most of the club. Not some journey nonsense to sell young players without pressure on results. I'm resigned that we can't remove them. They aren't present, rich enough to ignore us. Suhail said biggest mistake was reducing season tickets by 30 quid, that tiny dent to income seems to have hit a nerve but they will just squeeze most out of whoever is left.

We aren't going to sign experienced free agents because it isn't 'the project', we aren't paying competitive wages and our budget is probably maxed out from the summer. The accountants and Suhail will not authorise and extra wage or two on the payroll. If that means we get relegated off the back of it, then so be it. It will be the same approach in January unless they can offload people first to raise money, despite Nixon's nonsense about investment coming, which is simply an attempt by the regime to buy time and get them through the next three months. That's why Ismael is saying this.

Eustace probably felt,just the same as JDT, that the project had suddenly changed Chaddy...not what they were promised or led to believe when they signed contracts. Who do you think was doing any lying?🙄

You’re giving them far too much credit. It’s simply that Suhail is concerned that with 2000 unsold shirts on his hands, launching another new one will cannibalise those sales in the run up to Christmas. Someone therefore believes the fanbase can be fleeced more effectively by launching the anniversary shirt later; perhaps even after Christmas (?) at £90 a pop. Anyone wanting a chuckle…imagine if Liverpool released their 1st ever shirt as their anniversary kit. Well worth a Google that 😉

Yet we will sign a player injured ? How soon will he be up to speed if ever.

Standard script with managers that toe the line here, used to always hear ‘getting up to speed’ nonsense from TM too.

Mr Aloof dismisses signing a free agent out straight away. Hyam was sold on the last day of the window giving us no time to buy a replacement (I'm not saying we would have spent btw) so the only option was a free agent. We all knew Wharton and Carter are so susceptible to injury and yet he still wouldn't consider it, 'no way' he said. His argument about getting up to speed is nonsense in my view. Signing someone in early September would have seen them fit by the end of that month, a month when the number games we played really began to take their toll. His arrogance is going to be one of his undoings and is likely to cost us dearly.

I glanced around at the Etonians game, the age group was a mature crowd , weary looking like they had seen it all and looked fed up. Hoping something will change soon because we're on the verge of being diluted for good

Generally, Alebiosu apart - what a lot of dross we've signed over summer. Baradji - never been seen. Tavares - (£2m) barely been seen. Forshaw- meh- why? Henriksson - a walking yellow card, looks well out of his depth. TGH - not the worst of the bunch by any stretch but ordinary nevertheless. Moreshita - (£2m) Flatters to deceive. Gudjohnsen (£2m plus) Completely anonymous. Not sure he's any better than Leonard Miller - Can't defend.

I was so genuinely bemused by the Hedges love in I decided to watch the match back to see how he performed. As I thought in real time he didnt do anything noteworthy other than the fact he was largely responsible for the second goal by venturing forward and giving the ball away deep inside the Derby half which was then recycled and as a result we were short of cover down his side when the cross came in. Apart from that he went through the back of someone on 60 mins and was slightly fortunate not to earn a yellow card and very fortunate not to give away a free kick right on the corner of our area on 73 mins which if adjudged a foul would have been desperately close to being inside the area. Generally we looked extremely vulnerable any time Derby put a cross in. We have major problems if our idiot manager continues using Hedges there. Whilst I think he's rubbish I'm not going to blame him for playing poorly completely out of position, Ismael shouldn't be putting him in that situation.

Wasn't being sarcy, on watching the replay it was a pen but I've seen those not given. It was soft in the sense that up to that point we hadn't had an effort on target, Ohashi was going nowhere and Sanderson didnt need to make the challenge.

That last point is the one that worries me. Would be interesting to know the age profile of the people who are leading any continued protests. The danger with the slow, and apparently, managed decline of the club is that the fan base is like the proverbial 'frog in water being heated up'. For any new fans the current situation is normalised. I remember clubs like York and Hereford playing in the old 2nd Division - how many of their current fanbase think that's where they belong or can realistically get back to. If Venky's stay in ownership for another 15 years then we risk going the same way, despite the fact our history is far more glorious than those clubs.

I thought it was soft too, or you being sarcy? Not near as soft as the one Citeh got today.

Ih OK Rev, guess it was just me.

I thought maybe it was me seeing it but yes a lot of that cheap stuff was let go, for them.

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The ref didn't lose us the game. But if you think there hasn't been anything whatsoever wrong with the vast majority of refs we have had this season, I'm flabbergasted.