RockinRover Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Appleton's right if he did because the players definitely aren't fit and haven't been fit ever since Big Sam left. It's one of the reasons I believe we give up after 70 minutes regardless of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Haha can imagine that ruffled a few feathers. With the exception of Rhodes, Henley and Jake Kean the others can all feck off if they don't like being proper professionals. It may knock performances in the short term but we ain't ever getting promoted/playoffs this season so would rather get the personnel and culture in the club sorted out this season to mount a decent push next term round.Or at the least be mid table with a load of young hungry lads who we can get behind and support... +100 This season has gone, The only way Appleton can turn this around is a mass exodus. First out would be CKR and Murphy. Followed quickly by Dann, Peds, Dunn, Robinson, Givet, Orr, ollsen (both of em), Formica, Etuhu, Goodwillie, Edinho, Henrique, Rosado etc. Offer them on free's, pay them off, whatever just get rid,,,(They managed to do it with Nelsen, Salgado etc last year). I can guarantee our results wouldn't be any worse of they left the club. They offer nothing and their attitude stinks. Premiership primadonnas. It would certainly cushion the wage bill if nothing else. If we have little money then look at free transfers, loans from the prem and cheap signings. Build a team around Rhodes and Best as that is the only area of the team with any quality. Accommodate them both and play a system that suits. 4-4-2 would seem to be ideal. NOT4-2-3-1 etc - great for Europe but not the championship. Make the midfield two solid, use Nunes and King out wide. Add some height at the back. We may then at least have a shout at the playoffs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumboots Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Madness. We've moaned for ages about not having leaders or people who have any kind of experience and then you're saying sell or give away the lot. it's a balancing act. get rid of some, yes, i fully agree but not the lot and certainly not bring in a whole new team. that doesn't work either or QPR wouldn't be where they are and they brought their lot in with a chance at preseason - we'd have to do it with games coming thick and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 +100 This season has gone, The only way Appleton can turn this around is a mass exodus. First out would be CKR and Murphy. Followed quickly by Dann, Peds, Dunn, Robinson, Givet, Orr, ollsen (both of em), Formica, Etuhu, Goodwillie, Edinho, Henrique, Rosado etc. Offer them on free's, pay them off, whatever just get rid,,,(They managed to do it with Nelsen, Salgado etc last year). I can guarantee our results wouldn't be any worse of they left the club. They offer nothing and their attitude stinks. Premiership primadonnas. It would certainly cushion the wage bill if nothing else. If we have little money then look at free transfers, loans from the prem and cheap signings. Build a team around Rhodes and Best as that is the only area of the team with any quality. Accommodate them both and play a system that suits. 4-4-2 would seem to be ideal. NOT4-2-3-1 etc - great for Europe but not the championship. Make the midfield two solid, use Nunes and King out wide. Add some height at the back. We may then at least have a shout at the playoffs next year. Madness. We've moaned for ages about not having leaders or people who have any kind of experience and then you're saying sell or give away the lot. it's a balancing act. get rid of some, yes, i fully agree but not the lot and certainly not bring in a whole new team. that doesn't work either or QPR wouldn't be where they are and they brought their lot in with a chance at preseason - we'd have to do it with games coming thick and fast. both are right with your points tbf. some players should leave like Robinson, Orr, Givet, Dunn and Formica. Would keep Etuhu, Dann, Murphy and maybe Pedersen. I havent seen Henquire play so cant judge him. Rosado looks decent but similar to Rochina. We have to play to get the best out of Rhodes and Rochina at the minute. when Best to back and fit, im sure we will Best and Rhodes up front and play 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenodrog Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 both are right with your points tbf.some players should leave like Robinson, Orr, Givet, Dunn and Formica. Would keep Etuhu, Dann, Murphy and maybe Pedersen. I havent seen Henquire play so cant judge him. Rosado looks decent but similar to Rochina. We have to play to get the best out of Rhodes and Rochina at the minute. when Best to back and fit, im sure we will Best and Rhodes up front and play 4-4-2 Any decisions on the squad will be based on finance rather than ability imo. The exclusions / limited appearences of Robinson, Dunn, Givet and MGP suggest as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroom Mike E Posted January 20, 2013 Backroom Share Posted January 20, 2013 I can only hope that performance was from not coping with double-sessions. And tbf, if CKR/Rochina had a poor attitude towards Appleton, would they really have any need to apologise to the fans for deliberately playing w/o effort. Hopefully the players were just knackered but I realise that is straw-clutching at its finest haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Any decisions on the squad will be based on finance rather than ability imo. The exclusions / limited appearences of Robinson, Dunn, Givet and MGP suggest as much. why does it??? Dunn not fit anf fitness is shocking Givet attitude is poor. MGP performances have been poor. Robinson should have been sold and keep Kean in goal. done excellent since coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroom Mike E Posted January 20, 2013 Backroom Share Posted January 20, 2013 why does it??? Dunn not fit anf fitness is shocking Givet attitude is poor. MGP performances have been poor. Robinson should have been sold and keep Kean in goal. done excellent since coming in. It's no coincidence they are amongst our highest paid players mate. Though I don't dispute any of those comments about them haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Givet attitude is poor. Worse than those playing? This line gets trotted out regularly about Givet but I've never seen this "poor attitude" displayed on the pitch during games.I'm with Theno, certain absences are more likely down to finances à la Salgado et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It's no coincidence they are amongst our highest paid players mate. Though I don't dispute any of those comments about them haha Think Etuhu, Rhodes and Murphy are our highest paid players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Salgado, Roberts were down to finances - many others too I imagine, no wonder the attitude of the playing staff is so poor, we have been run like a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Worse than those playing? This line gets trotted out regularly about Givet but I've never seen this "poor attitude" displayed on the pitch during games.I'm with Theno, certain absences are more likely down to finances à la Salgado et al. which he demanding to be sub at Charlton at Half Time this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroom Mike E Posted January 20, 2013 Backroom Share Posted January 20, 2013 Think Etuhu, Rhodes and Murphy are our highest paid players 'amongst' Pedersen is on 50kpw. Think murphy, etuhu, givet, dunn and robbo are next on about 30 or 35kpw. Rhodes 'only' 25kpw then the rest on their various wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 which he demanding to be sub at Charlton at Half Time this season Let's say you know that for a fact and it's not hearsay. That was still off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koi Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Fitness is shocking, Appleton needs to sort this out before he can move forward but I doubt he'll be given the support to sort the squad out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyrovers Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Let's say you know that for a fact and it's not hearsay. That was still off the pitch. Eric Black said it after the game. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9958555.Givet_talks_expected_after_Valley_mystery/ 'amongst' Pedersen is on 50kpw. Think murphy, etuhu, givet, dunn and robbo are next on about 30 or 35kpw. Rhodes 'only' 25kpw then the rest on their various wages. was. but Robinson, givet and peds have relegation wage drop clauses in their contracts http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/9728432.Givet_may_force_Blackburn_Rovers_exit_following_50_per_cent_pay_cut/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Eric Black said it after the game. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam C Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Build a team around Rhodes and Best as that is the only area of the team with any quality. Has Best played any games for us yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Friendlies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salgado Is A Hero Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Played well I thought in that friendly against AEK Athens was it? Quite quick feet for a big man and a well taken goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Marky Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Has Best played any games for us yet? Irrelevant. I guarantee Pardew is wishing he still had him. Probably our best striker when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWUpper Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 One of my friends is a die hard Newcastle fan...he was devastated when we bought Best and they were stuck with both Ameobi's. Let's hope he comes good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAL Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Appleton's right if he did because the players definitely aren't fit and haven't been fit ever since Big Sam left. It's one of the reasons I believe we give up after 70 minutes regardless of the score. Totally disagree as to why the players gave up as it wasnt anything to do with fitness. Belief in one another or the manager maybe, but not fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroom Mike E Posted January 20, 2013 Backroom Share Posted January 20, 2013 Eric Black said it after the game. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9958555.Givet_talks_expected_after_Valley_mystery/ was. but Robinson, givet and peds have relegation wage drop clauses in their contracts http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn_rovers/news/9728432.Givet_may_force_Blackburn_Rovers_exit_following_50_per_cent_pay_cut/ Givet had a pay cut, yes. But still bloody expensive on about 30k. Robbo and Pedersen haven't had pay cuts as far as I'm aware. In fact Pedersen's lack of a cut caused outrage on here for a day or two didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyRover Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Well whether this is true or just speculation but a gent in the EWMC was telling who wanted to hear that on Monday the players returned to Ewood with glum faces after their training session with Mr Appleton who told them all that they were no way fit,(we all know that) if they didn't like what was going to happen see him and he would arrange for them to leave (hoping that bit is true), maybe that was behind yesterday's performance i really don't know, lets see what changes he makes for Tuesday, Oh and here's the highlight, Venkys will not be here next season, here's hoping. We aren't fit. Haven't been since Kean took over. No one likes doing the yard slog of runs to get fit, but as a professional athlete it's part and parcel of what you do. To hear that some players didn't like it, doesn't surprise me at all, as our team is full of big egos, who wouldn't like to be told where they are failing. It's refreshing to hear this sort of bluntness and is what is needed to snap the comfort zone that our players have fallen into over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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