Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[roversfan99]

He really couldn't.

Dolan is a decent Championship wide man. Markanday struggled for game time in League 1.

[rigger]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He really couldn't.

Dolan is a decent Championship wide man. Markanday struggled for game time in League 1.

At a club that hasn't got a decent championship wide-man.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, Andy said:

I'm not sure, I think Markanday could do the vast majority of what Dolan offered.

Markanday isn't good enough. He ain't good enough 

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

How much of any compo would the first team see ? 

Sod all they'll just get about 5k pwk of his reported 8k to reinvest in a loan or something then the beancounters will chalk it don as a result.

A small fee received and a wage saving.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

I'm not sure, I think Markanday could do the vast majority of what Dolan offered.

I honestly don't understand how you can say that.

[rigger]

13 hours ago, 47er said:

I honestly don't understand how you can say that.

Dolan offered very little, I am sure Markanday can do the vast majority of very little.

[47er]

26 minutes ago, rigger said:

Dolan offered very little, I am sure Markanday can do the vast majority of very little.

Disagree.

In fact--fucking unbelievable really.

[oneandycrawford]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Disagree.

In fact--fucking unbelievable really.

 

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Dolan offered very little, I am sure Markanday can do the vast majority of very little.

I'm by no means a Dolan fan and am very aware of his limitations. But he has 23 league goals and 21 league assists in the last  5 seasons. From what I've seen of Markanday I'd be amazed if he could get anywhere near those numbers.

I do get that he hasn't had the opportunities that Dolan has had but 3 managers (Mowbray / JDT / Eustace) seem to have taken the view that Dolan is much the better option.

[MarkBRFC]

One day Markanday will be good enough for us, but it won't be because he has improved any.

[speeeeeeedie]

25 minutes ago, oneandycrawford said:

 

I'm by no means a Dolan fan and am very aware of his limitations. But he has 23 league goals and 21 league assists in the last  5 seasons. From what I've seen of Markanday I'd be amazed if he could get anywhere near those numbers.

I do get that he hasn't had the opportunities that Dolan has had but 3 managers (Mowbray / JDT / Eustace) seem to have taken the view that Dolan is much the better option.

I agree with you. 

Dolan is playing at his level. That level is 1 or more above Markanday. 

[Tomphil2]

Markanday will be brought back and be in and around the squad but it looks like he's another who will just see his contract out, get his loyalty bonus and walk for nothing.

That means that even if he hits some form finally in this league he'll be off for nowt eventually.

Be very good if someone offered a fee in summer and they took it at least it's a few quid back and frees up a minimal wage.

[roversfan99]

Clubs at the level that would see Markanday as an asset would struggle to pay a fee. Better off just letting him go rather than activating his extension and risk being stuck with him.

[Tomphil2]

That old hippy at Forest Green has a few quid a club like that might take a punt if they get through the play offs surely there has to be someone capable of paying a small fee for a good player at that level with a bit of potential to sell on.

[KentExile]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Clubs at the level that would see Markanday as an asset would struggle to pay a fee. Better off just letting him go rather than activating his extension and risk being stuck with him.

Even in that situation, it would be better to activate the renewal, if a club is interested (ie Chesterfield) allow him to move on a free but with a sell on clause, just in case he has a stellar half season at some point and he moves for a fee in the future

Everybody wins that way

[roversfan99]

33 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Even in that situation, it would be better to activate the renewal, if a club is interested (ie Chesterfield) allow him to move on a free but with a sell on clause, just in case he has a stellar half season at some point and he moves for a fee in the future

Everybody wins that way

Isnt that a risk though, in that his contract having signed for a fee is presumably at least reasonable at Championship level, so he could sit on it or it might put off suitors only able to pay a % of his wage?

[KentExile]

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Isnt that a risk though, in that his contract having signed for a fee is presumably at least reasonable at Championship level, so he could sit on it or it might put off suitors only able to pay a % of his wage?

I genuinely do not think so.  He will be on £5K/week (at most),  Which equates to a maximum of about £250K over the course on next season.  Even if as worst case scenario, we ended up giving him a free transfer (with a hefty sell on %) to Chesterfield pr similar and covering half of his wage for the remainder of his contract,  I would fancy being able to recoup more than  a few hundred K with a sell on which would still more than pay for itself

And that would we worst case scenario.  He has more than proved himself at League 2 level, so I would be pretty confident that someone at league 1 level would be willing to take a punt, and cover most/all of his wage, and even pay a small up front fee. again with a sell on %

Personally though, I expect his option will be triggered and he will be a squad player next season, whilst being talked up as Dolans ready made replacement all through the summer

[London blue]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

I genuinely do not think so.  He will be on £5K/week (at most),  Which equates to a maximum of about £250K over the course on next season.  Even if as worst case scenario, we ended up giving him a free transfer (with a hefty sell on %) to Chesterfield pr similar and covering half of his wage for the remainder of his contract,  I would fancy being able to recoup more than  a few hundred K with a sell on which would still more than pay for itself

And that would we worst case scenario.  He has more than proved himself at League 2 level, so I would be pretty confident that someone at league 1 level would be willing to take a punt, and cover most/all of his wage, and even pay a small up front fee. again with a sell on %

Personally though, I expect his option will be triggered and he will be a squad player next season, whilst being talked up as Dolans ready made replacement all through the summer

Surely worst case scenario is we give him the contract, spend £250k on wages over a season and no-one comes in for him. 

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, London blue said:

Surely worst case scenario is we give him the contract, spend £250k on wages over a season and no-one comes in for him. 

ok, I will rephrase,

worst realistic scenario

Do you honestly believe that given his first half season this year, a club towards the top of League 2 doesn't want to take him on a free and half his wages?

Edited Thursday at 18:35 by KentExile

[JCRovers]

22 hours ago, Andy said:

I'm not sure, I think Markanday could do the vast majority of what Dolan offered.

 

7 hours ago, rigger said:

Dolan offered very little, I am sure Markanday can do the vast majority of very little.

Hi Suhail. Two accounts I see? Impressive.

 

[Andy]

17 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

 

Hi Suhail. Two accounts I see? Impressive.

 

Yes, everyone with a different opinion to you must be an employee of the club...

He's generally not done much at all when he's played for us, but every now and then (Newcastle at home in the cup, for example), he shows that there's a player in there.

If you can't see it, fair enough.

Edited Thursday at 19:33 by Andy

[M_B]

According to FootyStats(whoever they are) Dolan has 7 goals and 13 goal involvements.

That doesn't include being involved in many a build up, and being the hardest working player in the squad.

If anyone thinks Markanday(who I've nothing against), gets anywhere near Dolan's input, I honestly don't know what they're basing it on.

[JCRovers]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

Yes, everyone with a different opinion to you must be an employee of the club...

He's generally not done much at all when he's played for us, but every now and then (Newcastle at home in the cup, for example), he shows that there's a player in there.

If you can't see it, fair enough.

First of all, I found it funny that the wording of the two comments were basically the same. Secondly, Markanday hasn't been a regular starter at Leyton Orient of late. Why would he, all of a sudden, be a player that competes for a starting spot here?

Main weakness of Markanday when I've watched him is that his work rate is nowhere near Dolan's, meaning he's far less likely to track back to help defence and win the ball back. Same weakness that you could see in Cozier-Duberry and a probable cause as to why Ismael dropped him outside the match squad for the final league games. Cantwell struggled with this initially when coming here being seen as a 'luxury player' (see Hull's match-winning goal from December 29 last year and how he blatantly disregards his duty to track back and follow his man), but he seems to have either improved his fitness or changed his mindset lately.

We can't afford having luxury players on the pitch if we want to be successful, simple as that. Once you have players that work hard for eachother, only then can you start adding a bit of flair and skill to make a difference. Or you gonna end up with a team conceding 74 goals again like we did in season 23/24.