Adam Wharton

[NeilInBristol]

2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He should have been on instead of Henderson. 

Yeh
he came on for Anderson though- do rovers get the £2m fee?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, DuffsLeftPeg said:

His time will come. Everyone knows Adam is a class above.

Anderson is just a water carrier, Tuchel said it himself. Wharton is the master puppeteer!

Anderson is a deffo starter and righly so. Been brilliant in England shirt

[roversfan99]

Anderson is good but Wharton's definitely a better player. Dont let a few games v sub par opposition fool you. Wharton is also more natural in the type of position either will play next to Rice. Anderson is more of a box to box midfielder.

[chaddyrovers]

Anderson is much better than good. He played a key part in the under 21's. He can the 6 or 8 roles. Him and Rice look like a proper partnership who can play together. Looks a good fit. Same as Kane as Rogers. They suited each other game. 

Edited 14 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

Why is so much being read into his under 21 performances? People on here seem fixated by what happens in the under 21s or who the under 21 manager selects.

Judgement on his under 21 performances are bypassed by his performances for Forest. If we based it on under 21s then Harvey Elliott would be a regular.

I also think we can read too much into games against teams in a quite frankly terrible qualification group. Players like Morgan Rogers and Elliott Anderson are good players who usually (Rogers hasnt been as good this season and Anderson plays a different role) impress in the Premier League, they have the quality to go to the World Cup either way. But I dont think we should be coming to final conclusions on our best 11 based on these games, of course they will impress against such teams, they are far better than the standard of their opponents.

[davulsukur]

13 hours ago, Gordon Gekko said:

Bentley or Warnock?

Probably was Bentley, seem to remember he pulled out of the U21's and was then booed by the England fans when he made his full debut because of it.

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Why is so much being read into his under 21 performances? People on here seem fixated by what happens in the under 21s or who the under 21 manager selects.

Judgement on his under 21 performances are bypassed by his performances for Forest. If we based it on under 21s then Harvey Elliott would be a regular.

Funny enough we won that tournament, and Elliot Anderson was a key part of that success. 

You might enjoy putting down that achievement but I wont. Proud of that team.

Elliott Anderson has been very good this season for England and Forest. His stats are 1st rank in the PL. Yes first 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I also think we can read too much into games against teams in a quite frankly terrible qualification group. Players like Morgan Rogers and Elliott Anderson are good players who usually (Rogers hasnt been as good this season and Anderson plays a different role) impress in the Premier League, they have the quality to go to the World Cup either way. But I dont think we should be coming to final conclusions on our best 11 based on these games, of course they will impress against such teams, they are far better than the standard of their opponents.

I always think Tuchel has a tactical plan and that's his template for the World Cup. 

You are again shoehorning players to get them in. I have previously the team comes first and if very good players are left out so be it. 

I have already said I wouldn't take Foden. For me he is 4 or 5 choice for the 10 spot. He's not a winger or a number 9. Square pegs in square holes. 

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

[oneandycrawford]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Strange though it is to find myself agreeing with Chaddy  it's hard to dispute his view on Anderson being in the team ahead of Adam W.

If you look at it from the perspective of the team and morale it would be very harsh to drop a player who is clearly performing well for both club and country for someone who has been unavailable several times recently (through no fault of his own).

Tuchel is clearly focussed on the team rather than the 'best' individuals and it seems to be working for now. It would have been interesting to see how he would have managed the 'Golden generation'

It's up to Adam to make the most of his opportunities - hopefully he will get more minutes as Tuchel looks at his cover options.

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Funny enough we won that tournament, and Elliot Anderson was a key part of that success. 

You might enjoy putting down that achievement but I wont. Proud of that team.

Elliott Anderson has been very good this season for England and Forest. His stats are 1st rank in the PL. Yes first 

I always think Tuchel has a tactical plan and that's his template for the World Cup. 

You are again shoehorning players to get them in. I have previously the team comes first and if very good players are left out so be it. 

I have already said I wouldn't take Foden. For me he is 4 or 5 choice for the 10 spot. He's not a winger or a number 9. Square pegs in square holes. 

How am I shoehorning players in?

Shoehorning players in would be saying I would play Bellingham, Foden and Palmer all in the same team.

I am literally advocating picking one of those above Rogers, all 4 of them play in the same position.

You keep trotting cliches out like the team comes first as if it dismisses my argument. Obviously the team comes first. And I think playing a better player still in his natural position is putting the team first.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, oneandycrawford said:

Strange though it is to find myself agreeing with Chaddy  it's hard to dispute his view on Anderson being in the team ahead of Adam W.

If you look at it from the perspective of the team and morale it would be very harsh to drop a player who is clearly performing well for both club and country for someone who has been unavailable several times recently (through no fault of his own).

Tuchel is clearly focussed on the team rather than the 'best' individuals and it seems to be working for now. It would have been interesting to see how he would have managed the 'Golden generation'

It's up to Adam to make the most of his opportunities - hopefully he will get more minutes as Tuchel looks at his cover options.

I understand why Anderson is in the team at the moment but the World Cup is nearly a year away.

I think Wharton should start in the next game.

Anderson is not a natural holding midfielder, against poor teams any issues coming from him not being a natural there arent exposed.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I don’t think Rogers did much last night.  I can’t see him displacing the likes of  Palmer once he’s fit again. Anderson has been playing well against very average teams with very average midfields. He’s got qualities that Wharton hasn’t got - extreme mobility for one, but Wharton has qualities that Anderson hasn’t got - that first time defence splitting passing ability.

[oneandycrawford]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I understand why Anderson is in the team at the moment but the World Cup is nearly a year away.

I think Wharton should start in the next game.

Anderson is not a natural holding midfielder, against poor teams any issues coming from him not being a natural there arent exposed.

I agree that Wharton should start the next game - although against an Albania team who have already sealed 2nd place not sure what we'll learn.

[chaddyrovers]

36 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I understand why Anderson is in the team at the moment but the World Cup is nearly a year away.

I think Wharton should start in the next game.

Anderson is not a natural holding midfielder, against poor teams any issues coming from him not being a natural there arent exposed.

Neither is Adam Wharton a holding midfielder player but you want him there

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How am I shoehorning players in?

Shoehorning players in would be saying I would play Bellingham, Foden and Palmer all in the same team.

I am literally advocating picking one of those above Rogers, all 4 of them play in the same position.

You keep trotting cliches out like the team comes first as if it dismisses my argument. Obviously the team comes first. And I think playing a better player still in his natural position is putting the team first.

Why change something that is working. You need runners off Kane. Rogers is that sort of number 10. Kane looks fitter and tactical we look better. 

Its what Tuchel said pre match yesterday and he is right team must come first. 

So if the first game was tomorrow in the world cup what your starting 11 and just for total clarity everyone is fit? Its a open question to everyone. 

I could name my world cup squad right now fitness and form permitting. 

[MarkBRFC]

12 hours ago, NeilInBristol said:

do rovers get the £2m fee?

Lets hope not, this lot don't deserve to make another penny off Wharton's name.

[chaddyrovers]

My 11

               Pickford

James Stones Guehi Hall

         Anderson Rice

Saka.      Rogers      Gordon 

                  Kane 

             

[London blue]

Any of Foden, Bellingham or Palmer over Rogers for me.

[DuffsLeftPeg]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Chad - this thread is about celebrating Adam Wharton, a Blackburn lad, not Elliot Anderson, a Geordie.

You can quote stats all you want but Wharton is the more talented player and his time will come. Anderson is a great player, probably more versatile than Wharton overall but as a number 6 there is no contest and what the England Team has needed for years, especially against the best opposition. Wharton keeps things ticking over with 1-2 touches whereas watching Anderson he is 2-3 touches. Against better opposition that is huge. Wharton has shown he can do it in big games already against City & Liverpool.

If you do want to look at PL stats, look at Chances Created - Wharton is 1st by quite a bit and but for poor finishing would have a string of assists to match.

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, DuffsLeftPeg said:

Chad - this thread is about celebrating Adam Wharton, a Blackburn lad, not Elliot Anderson, a Geordie.

Celebrating what? 

7 minutes ago, DuffsLeftPeg said:

You can quote stats all you want but Wharton is the more talented player and his time will come. Anderson is a great player, probably more versatile than Wharton overall but as a number 6 there is no contest and what the England Team has needed for years, especially against the best opposition. Wharton keeps things ticking over with 1-2 touches whereas watching Anderson he is 2-3 touches. Against better opposition that is huge. Wharton has shown he can do it in big games already against City & Liverpool.

If you do want to look at PL stats, look at Chances Created - Wharton is 1st by quite a bit and but for poor finishing would have a string of assists to match.

The stats are very clear, Anderson is number 1 midfielder in the PL. He is rightly the man in possession. 

Anderson can win back possession but also finding that great pass when the ball is won back. Shame we cant both in but Rice is a must

[roversfan99]

The stats do not prove that Anderson is the number 1 midfielder in the Premier League. Hes a good player but he isnt the best midfielder in the league.

Are them stats comparing him to everyone in the league or just the other midfielders at Forest? Even if its the league, its not such a linear conclusion.

[roversfan99]

49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Neither is Adam Wharton a holding midfielder player but you want him there

He sits in front of the defence and dictates the game. He is a holding midfielder.

[DuffsLeftPeg]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Celebrating what?

Celebrating a Blackburn Rovers fan and academy graduate playing competitively for England and being one of the best young talents in the Premier  League. Celebrating the implications that has for the finances of the club and the future success of the Academy.

 

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The stats are very clear, Anderson is number 1 midfielder in the PL.

I think Rice & Caicedo would have something to say about that. 

[DuffsLeftPeg]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The stats do not prove that Anderson is the number 1 midfielder in the Premier League. Hes a good player but he isnt the best midfielder in the league.

Are them stats comparing him to everyone in the league or just the other midfielders at Forest? Even if its the league, its not such a linear conclusion.

Don’t expect that absolute contrarian buffoon to apply that logic!