Ricky Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said: Sheffield Weds have to be nailed on for relegation. No idea how strong the other two promoted L1 sides are - Wrexham will stay up.Β Birmingham will be at the upper end of the table. They had a championship quality squad last season with a Β£15m striker to boot!Β 3 Quote
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Ricky Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Iβm quite happy with the Tavares signing. Good age and has played in England for the majority of his life so knows the English leagues. Not played many games as a pro but hopefully he just needs to push on. Stature wise he looks a perfect championship midfielder.Β 1 Quote
Norbert Rassragr Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Which of Travis or Tronstad is going now Tavares has signed? We know we don't do squad depth. Quote
OnionBalaji Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Norbert Rassragr said: Which of Travis or Tronstad is going now Tavares has signed? We know we don't do squad depth. Would love to try a midfield trio of the three Ts but do think Travis gone is more than likely a done dealΒ Β Β 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 It will be interesting to see if there is a piece with a Portugese journalist in the Telegraph to give us more detail about what we are getting. It was Tavares' first full season from what I can see of his senior career and he only started 15 and completed 2 games which is a bit surprising as a central midfielder. Ability aside, it would surely be a big ask to expect him to play week in week out in the Championship all of a sudden. It has the feel of a project signing, they both do. Tavares has played very little senior football really and couldnt maintain a regular spot, and De Neve often played at full back and it seemingly was a bit of a surprise that we signed him. Hopefully they will be accompanied by more proven players and we have seen some attributes that suit what we want to do and allow then to really kick on. 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted June 21 Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Β Being touted for a price and actually sold for a price are two different things entirely. Cantwell went for less than 2million and this fella has over 30million worth of transfer fees paid for him he will play in a top division and his wages letβs not even get started on thoseΒ Β The point was values can deteriorate rapidly, and there have been plenty others. I just used an easy to understand Rovers example. Another one might be Rodwell, had about 25 mill of fees he had moved for, probably equivalent to 50 mill now. Came here for free, and not because he had forced his club's hand but cos they didn't want him. I already agreed this guy is out of our reach, I'm just saying his move last summer is considerably more relevant. Quote
bluebruce Posted June 21 Posted June 21 1 hour ago, OnionBalaji said: Would love to try a midfield trio of the three Ts but do think Travis gone is more than likely a done dealΒ Β Β The holy T-rinity. Quote
KentExile Posted June 21 Posted June 21 7 hours ago, roverandout said: Why does he have an English accentΒ His family moved to England when he was a couple of months old, where he lived for 20 years 1 Quote
Forever Blue Posted June 21 Posted June 21 4 hours ago, bluebruce said: The holy T-rinity. Tony Parkes - Tugay - Tim Sherwood 4 Quote
Paul Mani Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Ok, Iβll address the elephant in the roomβ¦.weβve just spent (upto) Β£2m on a player!? Wow, was not expecting that! I donβt believe that itβs because weβre selling Travis either, not because I trust them, but because thatβs not the way they / we work. We donβt spend money that comes in (as shown by the Wharton, Szmodics sales). We certainly donβt buy a player βin anticipationβ of selling a player either. Based on everything thatβs been made public, my belief is that theyβre pushing ahead with plans as per VIβs wishes. Itβs been documented that we were after a box to box number 8 and theyβve gone and got one. 1 Quote
DutchRover Posted June 21 Posted June 21 The 2m must be heavily weighted in add-ons, can't imagine we have paid more than about 800k for the transfer, which itself would be spread across the 3 years. 3 Quote
AJW Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Relatively excited at the prospect of spending a reasonable amount of money on a player .. absolutely terrified of the thought that Travis now likely to be leaving Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted June 21 Posted June 21 6 hours ago, bluebruce said: The point was values can deteriorate rapidly, and there have been plenty others. I just used an easy to understand Rovers example. Another one might be Rodwell, had about 25 mill of fees he had moved for, probably equivalent to 50 mill now. Came here for free, and not because he had forced his club's hand but cos they didn't want him. I already agreed this guy is out of our reach, I'm just saying his move last summer is considerably more relevant. Rodwell was consistently injured played less than 50 games in 3 seasons (which was played out publicly) and was frozen out - granted he actually did well for us but itβs not the same Carmo signed for forest and they immediately sent him on loan how/why not sure but he went to a team in Europa league so if you deem that move more relevant itβs still a million miles away from rovers statusΒ Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted June 21 Posted June 21 52 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: Ok, Iβll address the elephant in the roomβ¦.weβve just spent (upto) Β£2m on a player!? Wow, was not expecting that! I donβt believe that itβs because weβre selling Travis either, not because I trust them, but because thatβs not the way they / we work. We donβt spend money that comes in (as shown by the Wharton, Szmodics sales). We certainly donβt buy a player βin anticipationβ of selling a player either. Based on everything thatβs been made public, my belief is that theyβre pushing ahead with plans as per VIβs wishes. Itβs been documented that we were after a box to box number 8 and theyβve gone and got one. I wish I shared your optimism but the writing is on the wallβ¦.whether itβs Dolans possible comp fee or the sale of Travis/tronstad I just donβt see a world when it comes august 9th where we still have all the untied players along with new recruits. Bare in mind we still need 2/3 more Quote
Bohinen1983 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Do you know what I was thinking about the other night..Β The amount of players we've had with names that either match or rhyme.. Duff, Dunn Henley, Hanley Olsson, Olsson Tavares, Travis There's more, I remember there being a few in the academy- minds gone blank though, 1 Quote
DavidMailsTightPerm Posted June 21 Posted June 21 10 hours ago, JCRovers said: There's a clear shift in terms of player profile that we're looking for now which I see as a positive.Β So far they seem to be buying players of a certain physical profile who have potential to improve. It is a high risk approach - coming from different leagues and countries where settling in is a bit of an unknown. Of course, there is no guarantee they will improveΒ - and we will have to wait to see them play t judge whether they are already good enough for the Championship or not. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted June 21 Posted June 21 5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Carmo signed for forest and they immediately sent him on loan how/why not sure but he went to a team in Europa league so if you deem that move more relevant itβs still a million miles away from rovers statusΒ Also, specifically sent to Forests sister club, where he was a regular starter.Β Would imagine the logic in that was to get him playing regularly and get his confidence back after a difficult period at Porto, with a view to integrating him into Forests squad this coming season, not to flog him to Rovers at a loss 2 Quote
DavidMailsTightPerm Posted June 21 Posted June 21 3 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: I wish I shared your optimism but the writing is on the wallβ¦.whether itβs Dolans possible comp fee or the sale of Travis/tronstad I just donβt see a world when it comes august 9th where we still have all the untied players along with new recruits. Bare in mind we still need 2/3 more I will be pleasantly surprised if Travis stays - for me it is all about the fee now. Personally I would want Β£3m for him plus add ons (huge promotion add on). Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted June 21 Posted June 21 1 minute ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said: I will be pleasantly surprised if Travis stays - for me it is all about the fee now. Personally I would want Β£3m for him plus add ons (huge promotion add on). Iβm still holing out hope that its buckley jrcΒ dolan pears but I fear its a biggy going. I genuinely believe Travis wants to stay but I donβt see our board breaking their useless wage structureΒ Quote
Tomphil2 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 (edited) 34 minutes ago, DutchRover said: The 2m must be heavily weighted in add-ons, can't imagine we have paid more than about 800k for the transfer, which itself would be spread across the 3 years. Yep a deal 'up to 2 million' can mean any number of things and it's most likely it's a few hundred grand per year then a load of add on's IF he hits certain targets' Still they've committed about 2 and a half million now over the next few years including the Belgium lad so that IS re-investment although we all still dream of a 5 million pound striker ! These lads wages will be low and i'm on the other side when it comes to how these are paid for we don't spend unless there's been some sales or room made on the wage bill so i fully expect by summers end the buys v outs will balance somehow. Edited June 21 by Tomphil2 Quote
Tugayisgod Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Early days yet in the window but just wondering from the business already done that there may be less reliance on the loans market this time round.? 3 permanent signings, certainly you could imagine that rather than giving Forshaw another 12 months they could have considered a youngster on loan. Maybe they have come to the conclusion that at the end of the day it's just wasted money ? Certainly, apart from centre halves, the loan market hasn't been that great for us. Tyler Morton, Leighton Clarkson, Andy Moran, ACD, Ayari, were all disappointing midfield signings. As I say, but early yet but maybe a change of thinking ?Β 2 Quote
vinotherover Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Its about time the club start doing this right get travis out the door as soon as possible for the best price now. Buy cheap prospects build up if possible over a few years as well as academy players sell in prime or for a good price rinse and repeat this is the club we are now Quote
Ossydave Posted June 21 Posted June 21 43 minutes ago, DutchRover said: The 2m must be heavily weighted in add-ons, can't imagine we have paid more than about 800k for the transfer, which itself would be spread across the 3 years. Stick a massive promotion add on in there then do everything you can to hamper promotion. A foreign team having a quick gander at our league finish last season could easily think a promotion bid is a possibility this season too I suppose.... 2 Quote
Ossydave Posted June 21 Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said: AyariΒ I don't think Ayari was poor, just wasn't really used for some reason. It's quite impressive he managed to breakthrough to the Brighton team the season after, certainly can't be based on his time here. Now valued at over 20M..... Quote
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