2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[BigHoz]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How can we know whether a manager signs off on every signing or not?

I’d argue there isn’t much choice, take what we can get in regardless of ability. 2 players in, peanuts spent, squad weaker than last year. (So far) 

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How can we know whether a manager signs off on every signing or not?

more conspiracy theories here 

How do you know that Ismael doesn't sign off every signing and trusts his scouting staff, Gestede and Owen to bring the right profile of players? 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

more conspiracy theories here 

How do you know that Ismael doesn't sign off every signing and trusts his scouting staff, Gestede and Owen to bring the right profile of players? 

Argument works both way you can’t confidently say he does either 

we simply don’t know 

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

We don’t unless your in the room

but the argument works both ways posters can’t say ‘that’s not a ismael signing’ based on negative assumption and poster can’t say that’s a manager signing based on blind positivity 

we don’t know 

We cant I agree although I dont think I have seen people suggest that they aren't Ismael signings.

Its clear that the last 2 managers didnt get what they wanted in the market so they clearly werent aligned hence them leaving. Ismael, we dont know either way.

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

more conspiracy theories here 

How do you know that Ismael doesn't sign off every signing and trusts his scouting staff, Gestede and Owen to bring the right profile of players? 

How is it a conspiracy theory? We dont know either way whether these 2 so far are Ismael endorsed. Im not saying they arent.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We cant I agree although I dont think I have seen people suggest that they aren't Ismael signings.

Its clear that the last 2 managers didnt get what they wanted in the market so they clearly werent aligned hence them leaving. Ismael, we dont know either way.

How is it a conspiracy theory? We dont know either way whether these 2 so far are Ismael endorsed. Im not saying they arent.

Wasn’t ismael specific just used him as a reference as he’s the current manager 

it’s the problem with football at the minute with directors of football or whatever fancy title they are given 

I’m old school in regards to this I think the manager should have full control of transfers in terms of player choice and who they want (within a budget provided) I’m not a fan of we need pace power under 30 then they come back with a list going we like him…I think the manager should have full control over that perfect example at present is Arsenal - arteta wants sesko berta (if that’s his name) wants gyokeres

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

In fairness, he has a point.
 

For example, this thread shouldn’t be the “transfer thread” it should be renamed; “Roversfan99/JHR/Mercer predict relegation, all best players sold, and all new signings shit, whilst Chaddy Inexplicably still reads their responses and replies constantly” 

I guess you and others enjoy it, but personally, if it wasn’t for potential snippets of actual information every 100 or so posts, I wouldn’t bother.

 

In fairness, his view is as valid as yours, just because you don’t agree with it.

It’s not about what I enjoy, everyone has a right to a voice, whether on here, or otherwise.

Just keep scrolling, or ignore people you don’t agree with, not that difficult.

[roversfan99]

28 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Wasn’t ismael specific just used him as a reference as he’s the current manager 

it’s the problem with football at the minute with directors of football or whatever fancy title they are given 

I’m old school in regards to this I think the manager should have full control of transfers in terms of player choice and who they want (within a budget provided) I’m not a fan of we need pace power under 30 then they come back with a list going we like him…I think the manager should have full control over that perfect example at present is Arsenal - arteta wants sesko berta (if that’s his name) wants gyokeres

There are definitely downsides to how most if not all football clubs now run. You get power mad director of footballs who are ultimately not solely working on getting the best team possible for that season. There regularly seems to be instances of disagreements and ultimately the manager/head coach is always best placed to know what his team needs, yet can be overruled.

Teams also seem overly reliant on data which is limited in what it can do. There are certain things, for example intangibles like leadership/experience/personality, that it cant possibly measure.

The Sheffield United situation is a good example. I dislike Wilder but he just accumulated 92 points and lost to a last minute play off final winner. Surely he is better placed to know what that team needs to get promoted as he has done before as opposed to relying on AI and a manager who hasnt really achieved much.

[M_B]

39 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Wasn’t ismael specific just used him as a reference as he’s the current manager 

it’s the problem with football at the minute with directors of football or whatever fancy title they are given 

I’m old school in regards to this I think the manager should have full control of transfers in terms of player choice and who they want (within a budget provided) I’m not a fan of we need pace power under 30 then they come Hi with a list going we like him…I think the manager should have full control over that perfect example at present is Arsenal - arteta wants sesko berta (if that’s his name) wants gyokeres

I'm not particularly bothered who has control as long as they're all on the same page. From the outside, it would appear that was the problem with the last 2 coaches. 

As far as Eustace goes, I'd say he got the positions covered he wanted, but didn't get to choose which players filled them. The situation needs clarification or we'll end up with another unhappy coach. 

Just another point, it does seem that Ismael has the backing of most on here, much more so than when he came in. 

Edited 12 hours ago by M_B

[Forever Blue]

Ismael is happy to develop younger players and has been rewarded with a long contract for buying into the latest ‘project’.

Time will tell if it works….

[Emerald Isle Rover]

12 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not particularly bothered who has control as long as they're all on the same page. From the outside, it would appear that was the problem with the last 2 coaches. 

As far as Eustace goes, I'd say he got the positions covered he wanted, but didn't get to choose which players filled them. The situation needs clarification or we'll end up with another unhappy coach. 

Just another point, it does seem that Ismael has the backing of most on here, much more so than when he came in. 

But that’s sort of my point a lot of times at a lot of clubs they aren’t on the same page 

time will tell with rovers this window 

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

But that’s sort of my point a lot of times at a lot of clubs they aren’t on the same page 

time will tell with rovers this window 

It's the main point for me, we've lost 2 good coaches because of it. 

[Rover1984]

25 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not particularly bothered who has control as long as they're all on the same page. From the outside, it would appear that was the problem with the last 2 coaches. 

As far as Eustace goes, I'd say he got the positions covered he wanted, but didn't get to choose which players filled them. The situation needs clarification or we'll end up with another unhappy coach. 

Agreed. We don’t know what goes on inside this club,but with whispers of Gestede and pasha trying to do things without Waggott and VI being there choice hopefully they are on the same page. The board and manager hasn’t worked well since Mowbray, The direction moving forward is still unclear and we don’t know what the plan is as they have changed so many times. We need a vision and to stick to it. Honesty with fans builds a great platform to move forward. They have expressed plans in the past and have done a U-turn on them. All we are used to is turmoil and the guesswork going forward will always be negative

Edited 12 hours ago by Rover1984

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, JBiz said:

In fairness, he has a point.
 

For example, this thread shouldn’t be the “transfer thread” it should be renamed; “Roversfan99/JHR/Mercer predict relegation, all best players sold, and all new signings shit, whilst Chaddy Inexplicably still reads their responses and replies constantly” 

I guess you and others enjoy it, but personally, if it wasn’t for potential snippets of actual information every 100 or so posts, I wouldn’t bother.

 

So you think all is sweetness and light then?

Interesting.

I personally think it's an absolute shambles and it will take a monumental effort from Vi just to keep our heads above water. The jury is still very much out on whether he'll be another JDT or JE or an absolute dud for me.

We'll soon see whether any pessimism was warranted or massively over done I suppose.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I don’t think so as any training compensation and solidarity payments due under FIFA regulations only covers transfers up to the season in which a player turns 23.

If he’d moved last season (or earlier) we’d have been due a (small) percentage of the fee.

So we have no money for transfers and our most promising youngsters get picked off for pennies.

Don't you just love football?

[StubbsUK]

49 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

In fairness, his view is as valid as yours, just because you don’t agree with it.

It’s not about what I enjoy, everyone has a right to a voice, whether on here, or otherwise.

Just keep scrolling, or ignore people you don’t agree with, not that difficult.

The forum has the ability to let you ignore people you don’t want to see, I heartily recommend using it and your enjoyment of the board will improve!

[RevidgeBlue]

31 minutes ago, M_B said:

it would appear that was the problem with the last 2 coaches. 

 

There was no problem with the last 2 coaches, quite the reverse.

Either the powers that be didn't realise what they had or doing too well didn't fit their agenda for some still unexplained and unfathomable reason and they refused to back them.

[Exiled_Rover]

So do we (or rather the club) think we're close to signing another CB?

Or are we going into the season expecting one of the Academy players to step up and fill that 4th CB option?

Currently we've gone from:

Batth - Hyam - Carter - Sanderson

to

Hyam - Carter - S. Wharton

 

That's a downgrade however you spin it. 

[davulsukur]

OK, so looks like Derby are spending big and backing Eustace. 

As the tweet says, you can see why he left, Derby showing some actual ambition, whereas Rovers are the polar opposite.

[M_B]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

There was no problem with the last 2 coaches, quite the reverse.

Either the powers that be didn't realise what they had or doing too well didn't fit their agenda for some still unexplained and unfathomable reason and they refused to back them.

If Eustace hawking his services round to any club which would listen isn't a problem, I don't know what is. 

I'm not blaming him or the club, I think they just were at loggerheads because the transfer situation was never clarified from the start, or one side tried to change it. 

Just to clarify, I think Eustace got virtually every position covered that he'd have wanted. The problem looks like he got what he wanted, but didn't get to choose who he wanted.

I'm not saying it is or isn't the right way to go, but if the club chooses the players and the coach coaches them, then both parties have to be happy with the situation. 

[roversfan99]

I remember us being regularly linked with Ryo Germain last season after he had a bit of a purple patch for the first time in his career.

Unleaded seemed to be his biggest fan and the suggestion was that Eustace wasnt as keen as those above him pushing a deal and it never happened.

Well, he replaced Ohashi and his brief goal spell fell away. Hes also now 30 so probably one we did well to avoid 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

If Eustace hawking his services round to any club which would listen isn't a problem, I don't know what is. 

I'm not blaming him or the club, I think they just were at loggerheads because the transfer situation was never clarified from the start, or one side tried to change it. 

Just to clarify, I think Eustace got virtually every position covered that he'd have wanted. The problem looks like he got what he wanted, but didn't get to choose who he wanted.

I'm not saying it is or isn't the right way to go, but if the club chooses the players and the coach coaches them, then both parties have to be happy with the situation. 

• Dennis - hadn't played for nearly a year (and never got fit for us)
• Woodrow - awful
• Forshaw - CM who Plymouth couldn't get rid of quickly enough
• No new contracts for Travis / Brittain / Tronstad 

Significant investment.

Edited 11 hours ago by Exiled_Rover

[simongarnerisgod]

11 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

OK, so looks like Derby are spending big and backing Eustace. 

As the tweet says, you can see why he left, Derby showing some actual ambition, whereas Rovers are the polar opposite.

the lack of ambition filters down to the players and the manager.ismael will do a jdt/eustace.especially when it`s looking highly likely his best players are going to be sold

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Argument works both way you can’t confidently say he does either 

we simply don’t know 

True it does but what's the trying to look for something that we don't actually know. 

They both said they align so we have to take their word surely? 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

 

How is it a conspiracy theory? We dont know either way whether these 2 so far are Ismael endorsed. Im not saying they arent.

So what's the point looking for negative in the situation every time? 

53 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not particularly bothered who has control as long as they're all on the same page. From the outside, it would appear that was the problem with the last 2 coaches. 

As far as Eustace goes, I'd say he got the positions covered he wanted, but didn't get to choose which players filled them. The situation needs clarification or we'll end up with another unhappy coach. 

Just another point, it does seem that Ismael has the backing of most on here, much more so than when he came in. 

Gestede and Ismael have said they are align In the view which positions needs signings and who we sign..

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I remember us being regularly linked with Ryo Germain last season after he had a bit of a purple patch for the first time in his career.

Unleaded seemed to be his biggest fan and the suggestion was that Eustace wasnt as keen as those above him pushing a deal and it never happened.

Well, he replaced Ohashi and his brief goal spell fell away. Hes also now 30 so probably one we did well to avoid 

 

But you have different people with different opinions on players just like in the normal workplace where you favour one candidate over another for different reasons. 

Football recruitment is the exactly the same problem. 

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

True it does but what's the trying to look for something that we don't actually know. 

They both said they align so we have to take their word surely? 

So what's the point looking for negative in the situation every time? 

Gestede and Ismael have said they are align In the view which positions needs signings and who we sign..

But you have different people with different opinions on players just like in the normal workplace where you favour one candidate over another for different reasons. 

Football recruitment is the exactly the same problem. 

How is saying that we dont know for sure either way "negative?"

As a side note. Did they not say they were aligned before any players were signed and before the window had opened? In which case, everyone is aligned. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

True it does but what's the trying to look for something that we don't actually know. 

They both said they align so we have to take their word surely? 

So what's the point looking for negative in the situation every time? 

Gestede and Ismael have said they are align In the view which positions needs signings and who we sign..

But you have different people with different opinions on players just like in the normal workplace where you favour one candidate over another for different reasons. 

Football recruitment is the exactly the same problem. 

For public face a lot say in the public eye they do but just look at eustace and the recruitment team once he left - not overly relevant just that we don’t know