2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Emerald Isle Rover]

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Without doubt, our 3 key players are Brittain, Travis and Tronstad - all 30 or under.  Without those 3, even with average replacements, I think we would be sunk.  I don't think the age argument has any mileage.

Take the current PL Champions - arguably, their 3 key players are Alisson (32), VVD (34) and Salah (33).  Can you imagine the uproar if Liverpool lost those 3 players.  They are the glue that binds together the rest of the team and makes them the unit they are.

It would be devastating if we lost 1 of our 3 key players, disastrous if we lost 2 and catastrophic if we lost all 3.  Does anyone really believe we would replace any of them with even half decent players given the cheap and unproven, and sometimes unwanted by any other clubs, signings we are making.

 

Well you believed last year signing Ohashi Gueye batth weimann that we were doomed and set for relegation 

so I suppose anything is possible 

[vinotherover]

12 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But according to Gestede any money brought in through selling players won't be added to the budget.

He said the budget is set in the summer and it doesn't increase if we bring in money through sales 

At a normal run Club then yeah selling the players with only a year left on their deals and using the money received to replace them would be the sensible thing to do .But here the money received just means venkys are asked to send over less money to pay the bills 

That's the point we have owners who are only willing to sustain the club keep the lights on so the club needs to make its own money salary cap will help but player sales are vital to be self sustainable and hopefully profitable so we don't have to rely on the owners. This will only work if we have the balls to sell these players at a time and age we're we can get the best value,

We cant keep losing players for free it's pointless holding on to them for another season in the hopes we get top six. 

[bluebruce]

14 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Well you believed last year signing Ohashi Gueye batth weimann that we were doomed and set for relegation 

so I suppose anything is possible 

Mercer always believes we are doomed (tbf I did after Szmodics left). But yet also almost always predicts we will win before every match.

[K-Hod]

53 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Probably be killed for saying this but in my opinion both trav and tron sould be sold as they will most likely not get the salary they are looking for and it's the last chance for us to make money from selling them as they will go for free. No point keeping them this season as the odds are we will not get promoted with them. I would sell and take a punt on a cheaper younger replacement and hope the potential turns into a quality player in a few years. 

Even if we do make money from them, it doesn't go back into the team, so it's irrelevant tbh.

[JHRover]

25 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

That's the point we have owners who are only willing to sustain the club keep the lights on so the club needs to make its own money salary cap will help but player sales are vital to be self sustainable and hopefully profitable so we don't have to rely on the owners. This will only work if we have the balls to sell these players at a time and age we're we can get the best value,

We cant keep losing players for free it's pointless holding on to them for another season in the hopes we get top six. 

On the contrary the less self-sufficient we are the better. The more it costs these owners and the harder it is for them to provide that money the more likely it is they will leave or give it up. Unlikely I know, but more likely than if it costs them nothing and they can just leave us to rot on the shelf. 

We've done the 'sell at a time where we get good value' - Adam Wharton, Szmodics - where did that get us exactly? Less than 18 months on from both of those - £30 million collected and what has it achieved? Nothing, we've reinvested a pittance and are now looking for more to sell. 

So yes I hope we lose the lot for free, then chief stooge has to go to Pune for £15 million this year and they can't do it. Game over.

[islander200]

26 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

That's the point we have owners who are only willing to sustain the club keep the lights on so the club needs to make its own money salary cap will help but player sales are vital to be self sustainable and hopefully profitable so we don't have to rely on the owners. This will only work if we have the balls to sell these players at a time and age we're we can get the best value,

We cant keep losing players for free it's pointless holding on to them for another season in the hopes we get top six. 

But none of the money will go towards a replacements.So the squad will be weaker 

Why would we as fans want our experienced players sold just so the owners have to send less money over?

We will never be sustainable as a championship club, just dreams by Pasha and Gestede.

Sell Travis,Tronstad and Brittain and replace them from the low budget set by the owners with cheap foreign players then the only place this club is going is league one

As a fan, it would only make sense to want us to cash in on the players with only 12 months left if the incoming fees where going to be used on replacements. Should we flog Hyam aswell because he only has a year left aswell?

 

 

[Tim Southampton Rover]

40 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

In fairness, and whilst I don't think players should be ruled out when they hit 30, the problem is you don't know when someone is going to be finished once they're in their 30s. There is a fairly rapid loss of pace that everyone gets at some point in their 30s. Sometimes it seems to happen at as low as 31, sometimes it's mid or even late 30s. In a similar way, at some point players will also lose their recovery abilities in this age bracket. So they might start only being good for about half or so of the games in a season. And injury proneness is another factor that worsens.

It can be none of these really kick in for years, and some players do manage to work their game around a loss of pace, but it's fairly rare it doesn't become some sort of liability. Some players can also still be very useful squad players even if they're only fit half the time, but that doesn't warrant paying them top earner wages, which is likely what we're talking here.

It's fear of the unknown, the unknown being when this player will start to break down. And that's precisely why players usually start getting shorter contract offers in their 30s.

Again, it can absolutely work out for years, or it can fail (like yes, any signing), but the degree of risk undoubtedly increases in the 30s.

To be clear, I do want to keep Tronstad and would happily offer him a 3 year deal on decent wages.

I think the unknown isn't as unknown anymore due to the technology and sports science that's involved in the game. These players are monitored daily so any minor drop in performance is found straight away by the analysts. It helps a lot when it comes to extending players careers and predicting when the decline will affect the team. I also think players experience, positioning, and professionalism helps too. I've noticed in sport in general that a lot of players who take this seriously end up playing longer than those who perhaps don't. Obviously, injuries can play a part but that applies to all ages.

I do think you're right though, clubs do still fear players over the age of 30 whether that's injuries, decline or perhaps these players have reached higher salary expectations and I'm sure Blackburn will be thinking this too. Sometimes though, clubs just need to trust the data and go for it. 

[Rover84]

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Just dropping this back in here for a revisit "exciting time" 

[vinotherover]

17 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But none of the money will go towards a replacements.So the squad will be weaker 

Why would we as fans want our experienced players sold just so the owners have to send less money over?

We will never be sustainable as a championship club, just dreams by Pasha and Gestede.

Sell Travis,Tronstad and Brittain and replace them from the low budget set by the owners with cheap foreign players then the only place this club is going is league one

As a fan, it would only make sense to want us to cash in on the players with only 12 months left if the incoming fees where going to be used on replacements. Should we flog Hyam aswell because he only has a year left aswell?

 

 

Were are you getting no investment in the team do you think the 2 players we have signed are interns on no wages.

I'm not In the know but from reports I've seen we've spent 2.5mil on them and again I'm guessing they will be on 5k a week could be more in fairnes if any one else knows the wages correct me this would be around 1.5mil in wages over 3 years so that's an investment of 3-4 million on the squad already this window 

[islander200]

Just now, vinotherover said:

Were are you getting no investment in the team do you think the 2 players we have signed are interns on no wages.

I'm not In the know but from reports I've seen we've spent 2.5mil on them and again I'm guessing they will be on 5k a week could be more in fairnes if any one else knows the wages correct me this would be around 1.5mil in wages over 3 years so that's an investment of 3-4 million on the squad already this window 

Yeah they have been signed out of the budget that has been set by the owners. 

Gestede said on both podcasts he did that incoming transfer fees are not added to the budget. So I'm getting it from the club 

[JHRover]

3 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Were are you getting no investment in the team do you think the 2 players we have signed are interns on no wages.

I'm not In the know but from reports I've seen we've spent 2.5mil on them and again I'm guessing they will be on 5k a week could be more in fairnes if any one else knows the wages correct me this would be around 1.5mil in wages over 3 years so that's an investment of 3-4 million on the squad already this window 

Hi Rudy

No other club quantifies investment based on future wages and costs down the line. Everyone else quantifies investment based on the fee paid to get the player.

Why? Well there's a pretty good chance that we will flog anyone who does ok, which will probably cover the outlay. 

Cloud cuckoo land stuff if anyone believes that we've committed to a £2.5 million spend on the two foreign signings we've made. Of course the only people it suits to spread such a grossly exaggerated figure is the Indians and their henchmen.

Is £5k a week for these signings something to be happy or boastful of? It's a lot to us yes, but to a Championship club that finished 7th last year that doesn't sound competitive or ambitious to me. It screams League One finances.

[JBiz]

51 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Even if we do make money from them, it doesn't go back into the team, so it's irrelevant tbh.

You say this all the time but if you go and sign up to the Swiss ramble, you’d see that most the money that comes in is spent on wages. Aka back into the team.

[vinotherover]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Hi Rudy

No other club quantifies investment based on future wages and costs down the line. Everyone else quantifies investment based on the fee paid to get the player.

Why? Well there's a pretty good chance that we will flog anyone who does ok, which will probably cover the outlay. 

Cloud cuckoo land stuff if anyone believes that we've committed to a £2.5 million spend on the two foreign signings we've made. Of course the only people it suits to spread such a grossly exaggerated figure is the Indians and their henchmen.

Is £5k a week for these signings something to be happy or boastful of? It's a lot to us yes, but to a Championship club that finished 7th last year that doesn't sound competitive or ambitious to me. It screams League One finances.

Of course they do It's call running a business and the club is insolvent if it wasn't for the owners hate them or l9ve them and your correct we do run on league one finances that much is clear.

 

What do you actually think will happen if they sold us the next owner will come in and put 100mill into the team no they will look straight at the P and L and will most likely put a salary cap in and sell our best value players and highest earners because they will also not be willing to sustain a 20mill loss per year 

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

You say this all the time but if you go and sign up to the Swiss ramble, you’d see that most the money that comes in is spent on wages. Aka back into the team.

Other teams re-invest in new players, not just pay the wages of existing players. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Of course they do It's call running a business and the club is insolvent if it wasn't for the owners hate them or l9ve them and your correct we do run on league one finances that much is clear.

 

What do you actually think will happen if they sold us the next owner will come in and put 100mill into the team no they will look straight at the P and L and will most likely put a salary cap in and sell our best value players and highest earners because they will also not be willing to sustain a 20mill loss per year 

Bigger picture is being missed here again….the gross mismanagement from the outset has put them in this position. All of their own doing 

sacking Sam and replacing with Steve kean - criminal and countless other poor choices 

this is all on them

[Exiled_Rover]

12 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Of course they do It's call running a business and the club is insolvent if it wasn't for the owners hate them or l9ve them and your correct we do run on league one finances that much is clear.

 

What do you actually think will happen if they sold us the next owner will come in and put 100mill into the team no they will look straight at the P and L and will most likely put a salary cap in and sell our best value players and highest earners because they will also not be willing to sustain a 20mill loss per year 

I'd hope the next owners would put competent people in charge - a CEO and a DoF worth their salt would be a start.

Anyone buying a Championship club will have to have a good deal of cash on hand for immediate running costs. That £20m a year figure is because we're so incredibly poorly run (and I still think it's a myth).

[Exiled_Rover]

18 minutes ago, JBiz said:

You say this all the time but if you go and sign up to the Swiss ramble, you’d see that most the money that comes in is spent on wages. Aka back into the team.

We're £72m in the black in transfers during our time under this awful ownership. 

We'd be much further in the black if we were run properly - Brereton, Lenihan, Rothwell to name a few walking for free. 

You cannot just put ALL of that money into wages. You have to reinvest into the squad - it's so short sighted to sell assets and not replace them with cheaper, younger assets. 

 

[JBiz]

14 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Other teams re-invest in new players, not just pay the wages of existing players. 

It all depends on the money in the bank though, are you trying to compare us to a parachute payment team, or a city with larger turnover and/or ambitious owners?

Id love for the Rao’s to fuck off like anyone here, but just shutting down any sales conversation with a “the money disappears tbh” makes this thread even more pointless.

Especially when the facts regarding our finance are available for anyone to read.

[JBiz]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We're £72m in the black in transfers during our time under this awful ownership. 

We'd be much further in the black if we were run properly - Brereton, Lenihan, Rothwell to name a few walking for free. 

You cannot just put ALL of that money into wages. You have to reinvest into the squad - it's so short sighted to sell assets and not replace them with cheaper, younger assets. 

 

Don’t think I or anyone would argue that the well thought out decisions had been made throughout their tenure. The point I was making is without investment from the owners, all of the money coming in is going on a wage bill not even top half of the championship.

Therefore spent on the team. 

[islander200]

29 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Of course they do It's call running a business and the club is insolvent if it wasn't for the owners hate them or l9ve them and your correct we do run on league one finances that much is clear.

 

What do you actually think will happen if they sold us the next owner will come in and put 100mill into the team no they will look straight at the P and L and will most likely put a salary cap in and sell our best value players and highest earners because they will also not be willing to sustain a 20mill loss per year 

Do you think all the other championship clubs don't lose money?No matter how big our wages are, no matter how much we spend in the market its a 20 million loss per year.

When we had Rhodes on 35k a week and other big earners and spent more than we do now then it costs the owners 20 million to keep the club running.

When we have one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and spend minimally on transfer fees and sell players for big money it still costs the owners 20 million to keep the club running.

Why is this?

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Don’t think I or anyone would argue that the well thought out decisions had been made throughout their tenure. The point I was making is without investment from the owners, all of the money coming in is going on a wage bill not even top half of the championship.

Therefore spent on the team. 

And I think the point that you may be missing is our owners are billionaires and are now choosing not to significantly re-invest in the playing squad. Not that they can’t they just simply aren’t 

Now I’m not on the side of conspiracy theories and/or the ultimate doom and gloom reaction of everything that goes on but at the same time im  not on the side where everything is all rosey in the garden and without them we would be doomed etc there has to be balance 

venkys running of this club has put them in a position where they are now ‘by choice’ not significantly re-investing in the playing squad

their off field issues which is no fault of rovers is also fully on them but it’s rovers it seems that are paying the penalty 

they do pay the losses they are keeping the lights on but they shouldn’t be praised for doing so as Iv outlined numerous times on this post………billionaires 

[lraC]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Do you think all the other championship clubs don't lose money?No matter how big our wages are, no matter how much we spend in the market its a 20 million loss per year.

When we had Rhodes on 35k a week and other big earners and spent more than we do now then it costs the owners 20 million to keep the club running.

When we have one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and spend minimally on transfer fees and sell players for big money it still costs the owners 20 million to keep the club running.

Why is this?

Agents, who never went away, is my guess.

[JBiz]

Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said:

And I think the point that you may be missing is our owners are billionaires and are now choosing not to significantly re-invest in the playing squad. Not that they can’t they just simply aren’t 

Now I’m not on the side of conspiracy theories and/or the ultimate doom and gloom reaction of everything that goes on but at the same time im  not on the side where everything is all rosey in the garden and without them we would be doomed etc there has to be balance 

venkys running of this club has put them in a position where they are now ‘by choice’ not significantly re-investing in the playing squad

their off field issues which is no fault of rovers is also fully on them but it’s rovers it seems that are paying the penalty 

they do pay the losses they are keeping the lights on but they shouldn’t be praised for doing so as Iv outlined numerous times on this post………billionaires 

You won’t find a post praising the owners or directors from me. It’s their fault the turnover is pitiful, and players are walking for free.

The point I made, and make again - the total wage bill for the club is money spent on football. Todd Cantwell’s price might’ve been £500k but if his wage is 1m+ a season, that’s investing money the club has earned one way or another, back in to the team.

Do I wish the “billionaires” would put them maximum they could in? Yes probably, as that would be the quickest way to them being able to sell us. We all want rid.

 

[miqaayil]

38 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Of course they do It's call running a business and the club is insolvent if it wasn't for the owners hate them or l9ve them and your correct we do run on league one finances that much is clear.

 

What do you actually think will happen if they sold us the next owner will come in and put 100mill into the team no they will look straight at the P and L and will most likely put a salary cap in and sell our best value players and highest earners because they will also not be willing to sustain a 20mill loss per year 

i completely disagree ...i don't mind an owner coming in , putting salary cap or selling ....but difference is plan and ambition ... any owners like Vs just lending thier name to signboard and leaving agents to run us on bank monies without taking any responsibility and sabotaging us every January so we don't get whiff of promotion ...you call them owners ?