2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But he hasnt had to compete with those players, bar half a season in which he would have had the experience of training against the likes of Kane with top coaches.

At best, he would have played as much football here as he has done anyway and will do this season. And thats assuming that he would have suddenly gone from 4th/5th choice here to 1st or 2nd.

And had he stayed here. Why would that have left him in a better position next summer compared to the position he will be in already? 

Spurs has been a good move because rather than keeping him around, theyve been able to choose really good moves for him to play regularly. He will go into next summer with 100+ Championship games under his belt, having really improved his reputation.

And still 5th / 6th choice at his club.

[Exiled_Rover]

43 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

Poor business from all around really 

Poor decision to sell

Poor decision for spurs to buy

Poor decision by his agent (s)

Shame to see one of our own unnecessarily play for Stoke

(especially when you see Adam doing so well at Palace)

We didn't have an option - his agent forced us to put that pitiful clause in his contract.

[chaddyrovers]

55 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You say ready to break into the first team here but it seems a stretch to assume considering how little he played and how far down the pecking order he was.

Either way, across these 3 seasons, assuming he is a regular at Stoke again which seems a safe bet. The chances are slim that he would have ended that period with more Championship appearances. So I don't see how he would have been a more attractive proposition or how his career would have been in a better place had he stayed. 

You say his stock would have risen, but bis stock has risen. Had he been a regular for 3 seasons here, which as I said seems incredibly unlikely but you disagree. Why would his stock have risen any more. Either way, he proves that he is a capable Championship defender.

I also very much doubt that he went to Spurs expecting to barge straight in.

Phillips's stock has risen to what? 

Why did Spurs buy for him tho in the first place? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I’d say his career has plateaued at the moment but he’s still got youth on his side. I think he’ll have a decent career. Like a lad that used to be in our woodworking class - Craig Dawson.

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

It’s not a stretch to assume really given the facts Iv just provided about injuries and his trajectory into the team at the time. Clearly a talented lad hence spurs wanting and getting him

why would the chances have been slim for him playing here the same amount of times if he’s valued/viewed to be that good a talent and was battling hard at the time to break into the team we signed mcfadz then batth. I’d say it’s a fair assumption he would have played quite a lot of games for rovers. And considering spurs wanted him then before moving actually playing a significant amount of games in the championship and performing then no doubt there would have been more suitors. But when you make a bad move then miss half a season and move to with all due respect Plymouth it sort of takes you out of the spotlight 

and I personally don’t think his stock as risen that much or he wouldn’t be going back to Stoke with the greatest respect to them.

And as for spurs I’d be very surprised if he plays any first team football ever for them so on that basis minus training against Harry Kane for 4/5 months I think it’s been a poor move for him

But he was behind Hyam and Carter here. And presumably would have continued to be.

My main question is though. Even if he had stayed here and played a similar number of games in the same division, which I doubt but I will run with it. How would he have been in a better position in terms of reputation?

I would get the argument had he gone to Spurs and stayed there in the under 21s but not based on the route he has taken. And I dont get why you are fixating on that first half season. He played was it 9 games the season prior for us. Another 6 months not playing at such a young age will not have hindered his development, even if you discount training with better players and coaches.

[roversfan99]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Phillips's stock has risen to what? 

Why did Spurs buy for him tho in the first place? 

He has been given the platform to play regular Championship football, where he has really impressed at a young age. He wasnt even playing here.

Why did they buy him? Big clubs often hoover up young players who have potential. Spurs werent signing a 17 year old 5th choice Championship defender to come straight in. They will have known that there was a strong chance that at the very least, they could sell him on in the future for considerable profit. They very well might next summer.

[roversfan99]

28 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

And still 5th / 6th choice at his club.

Like he was here when he left.

He will probably be sold next summer. And assuming he continues to impress, as still a very young centre back with lots of games under his belt and having impressed at Championship level, he will have his fair share of options.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, NeilInBristol said:

Poor business from all around really 

Poor decision to sell

Poor decision for spurs to buy

Poor decision by his agent (s)

Shame to see one of our own unnecessarily play for Stoke

(especially when you see Adam doing so well at Palace)

Wharton is an absolute freak. He has progressed so rapidly because he is a special talent. Phillips is also a talent but not at that level.

Poor decision by Spurs? They at the very least will make a considerable profit on the peanuts they paid?

Poor decision by his agent? He would have been well paid for the move and likely again when he moves on, having seen his client really establish himself as a Championship defender so long.

And even with us, it is much harder to protect yourselves with young players. Id be amazed if Tyjon is still here next season.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He has been given the platform to play regular Championship football, where he has really impressed at a young age. He wasnt even playing here.

Why did they buy him? Big clubs often hoover up young players who have potential. Spurs werent signing a 17 year old 5th choice Championship defender to come straight in. They will have known that there was a strong chance that at the very least, they could sell him on in the future for considerable profit. They very well might next summer.

Young players joins PL clubs far too early and going nowhere at them. We seen far too many young players moved to these clubs and end in league 2 or conference league. 

He would be regular here if he had stayed but even when he signed the new contract here it was pointless and Spurs waited a year.  JDT was using him and developing him. 

It was totally utter pointless signing for Spurs cos he will never been there  

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Young players joins PL clubs far too early and going nowhere at them. We seen far too many young players moved to these clubs and end in league 2 or conference league. 

He would be regular here if he had stayed but even when he signed the new contract here it was pointless and Spurs waited a year.  JDT was using him and developing him. 

It was totally utter pointless signing for Spurs cos he will never been there  

What makes you think he would have been a regular here? How long would he have waited? He left as 5th choice here, Ayala left, Hyam and Carter had just had a good season here finishing 7th and we also had Wharton ahead of him. So how do you work out that he would have been a regular? JDT wasnt using him very often, and understandably so.

What has actually happened, is not that hes rotted in academy football. He has actually played far more football via loan spells rather than had he stayed here where at least short term he was back up. He has played and this season will continue to play regular Championship football and his reputation will continue to grow.

Other players may have gone to League 2 or whatever. Phillips wont. Why would he. He already has proven for 18 solid months and likely a further 12 months upcoming that he is a very capable young defender. Even if he doesnt make it at Spurs, a top Championship or lower Prem club will take him, no danger.

And how is it pointless for Spurs? As I said, even if he never makes their first team, theyll turn over a big profit. Good investment, no?

So benefit to Phillips? More money obviously, but also loads of Championship regular football, moreso than here. Benefit to Spurs? Pick up a talented player for cheap and at worst turn over a big profit. So tell me, how have either made a mistake? How would Phillips have been in a better position even if he had played regularly and stayed?

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What makes you think he would have been a regular here? How long would he have waited? He left as 5th choice here, Ayala left, Hyam and Carter had just had a good season here finishing 7th and we also had Wharton ahead of him. So how do you work out that he would have been a regular? JDT wasnt using him very often, and understandably so.

What has actually happened, is not that hes rotted in academy football. He has actually played far more football via loan spells rather than had he stayed here where at least short term he was back up. He has played and this season will continue to play regular Championship football and his reputation will continue to grow.

Other players may have gone to League 2 or whatever. Phillips wont. Why would he. He already has proven for 18 solid months and likely a further 12 months upcoming that he is a very capable young defender. Even if he doesnt make it at Spurs, a top Championship or lower Prem club will take him, no danger.

And how is it pointless for Spurs? As I said, even if he never makes their first team, theyll turn over a big profit. Good investment, no?

So benefit to Phillips? More money obviously, but also loads of Championship regular football, moreso than here. Benefit to Spurs? Pick up a talented player for cheap and at worst turn over a big profit. So tell me, how have either made a mistake? How would Phillips have been in a better position even if he had played regularly and stayed?

Money? Not everything is that, player development is what should be priority for these younger players yet it isnt

JDT did used him and was doing so whilst developing him. 

So why haven't top Championship club sign him now then? 

Moving to Spurs was about one thing, money. Nothing else

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

They need to sign more and there is plenty of time to do so 

not sure what relevance the bookies have on things though. Outside of parachute payment teams they are guessing as much as the next person 

They're guessing with large financial incentives and teams of professionals estimating the odds. Which, with due respect, probably has more chance of accuracy than your own assessment. Not saying it's gospel.

2 hours ago, BankEnd Rover said:

What? Do you want me to go back and ask him? I'm not sure why you're going so deep into it. Im sure a fan of a club has a more accurate point on their clubs position than you (no offence).

The step up from league 1 to championship is a whole difference level than 2 to 1. You don't need to study the championship to know that.

If the bookies disagree that's great, put your money where your mouth is 😀 or get mercer to.

 

Do what you like, I'm just saying he might be a more negatively minded fan. I'm not going 'deep into it', I'm continuing a conversation at a pretty standard level. I'm sure other fans of their club think differently. Having watched a few seasons of their documentary I know their fans have had wildly differing views on how they'll adjust to different leagues.

Yes it's a different step up, that's why I'm not saying they'll get automatic promotion like they have been doing every season. I don't back them for the playoffs either. But I very much doubt they will be struggling come the final month of the season.

You can't bet on someone not getting relegated. And even if you could, there wouldn't be odds for it worth betting on because they're expected to do well.

[USABlue]

6 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’d say his career has plateaued at the moment but he’s still got youth on his side. I think he’ll have a decent career. Like a lad that used to be in our woodworking class - Craig Dawson.

He needs to be aiming higher than Stoke City, with all due respect, if, as he thought, he was the bees knees.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Money? Not everything is that, player development is what should be priority for these younger players yet it isnt

JDT did used him and was doing so whilst developing him. 

So why haven't top Championship club sign him now then? 

Moving to Spurs was about one thing, money. Nothing else

There are other factors but I agree money was probably the driving force. But joining Spurs opens other doors to career progression.

Even at Under 21 level being at a London or a big 6 club increases the chance of International recognition.

You ask why top championship clubs havent signed him, that is sample. They want proven talent as they want promotion not somebody else's project. 

Time will tell if he has chosen the correct path but I agree with RF99 in that if he had stayed here he wouldn't have played the number of games in the championship that he already has. JDT played him only because he had to, if we had signed Batth the season  before, like we supposed to,  then he wouldn't have played that number.

[Ossydave]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Wharton is an absolute freak. 

So is Phillips, not from a footballing perspective as such but his insane build which will be largely down to genetics isn't normal at all for a lad that age. Not naturally anyway without injecting. Obviously his footballing ability is good, without being amazing. Spurs essentially bought a Lamborghini shell with a 2.5ltr engine from a mk2 Focus ST, fantastic engines but not quite matching the shell, yet. Absolute no brainer to take a punt on him though for Spurs.

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 hours ago, bluebruce said:

They're guessing with large financial incentives and teams of professionals estimating the odds. Which, with due respect, probably has more chance of accuracy than your own assessment. Not saying it's gospel.

Do what you like, I'm just saying he might be a more negatively minded fan. I'm not going 'deep into it', I'm continuing a conversation at a pretty standard level. I'm sure other fans of their club think differently. Having watched a few seasons of their documentary I know their fans have had wildly differing views on how they'll adjust to different leagues.

Yes it's a different step up, that's why I'm not saying they'll get automatic promotion like they have been doing every season. I don't back them for the playoffs either. But I very much doubt they will be struggling come the final month of the season.

You can't bet on someone not getting relegated. And even if you could, there wouldn't be odds for it worth betting on because they're expected to do well.

So they are guessing then? Wonder what odds Luton were for relegation last season or Sunderland for promotion. Like you said not gospel and outside of parachute clubs they are just guessing 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

But he was behind Hyam and Carter here. And presumably would have continued to be.

My main question is though. Even if he had stayed here and played a similar number of games in the same division, which I doubt but I will run with it. How would he have been in a better position in terms of reputation?

I would get the argument had he gone to Spurs and stayed there in the under 21s but not based on the route he has taken. And I dont get why you are fixating on that first half season. He played was it 9 games the season prior for us. Another 6 months not playing at such a young age will not have hindered his development, even if you discount training with better players and coaches.

Yes players in teams that are normally challenging in the playoff region are normally more sought after than those playing in relegation teams or mid table mediocrity 

im not fixating on it im making a point he could have got let’s say another 10/15 champ appearances (something your fixating on) as opposed to u21 football

we arent going to agree on this for me spurs wasn’t the right club at the time for him I said it at the time and nothing has changed my mind since. Financially I’m sure he’s better off no doubt 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 hour ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

There are other factors but I agree money was probably the driving force. But joining Spurs opens other doors to career progression.

Even at Under 21 level being at a London or a big 6 club increases the chance of International recognition.

You ask why top championship clubs havent signed him, that is sample. They want proven talent as they want promotion not somebody else's project. 

Time will tell if he has chosen the correct path but I agree with RF99 in that if he had stayed here he wouldn't have played the number of games in the championship that he already has. JDT played him only because he had to, if we had signed Batth the season  before, like we supposed to,  then he wouldn't have played that number.

But we didn’t sign batth the season before and with Phillips here likely wouldn’t have needed to or at least wouldn’t have been a priority 

[Tomphil2]

Philips would naturally have overtaken Carter in the squad had he stayed.

When you have true progression and in perfect hindsight Carter would've been sold for 2/3 mill plus add ons and Phillips steps in. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that when injuries/agents/greed and pushy parents are in the mix as well but lessons need to be learned in tying boys to some sort of deal that benefits both.

The rules for this need looking at as well otherwise the academy at its top level becomes pointless and too many kids just disappear into the big club system with a few more quid in their pockets and a promising career up in smoke.

[MarkBRFC]

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko this morning said Rovers are still after 4 more signings which are centre back, centre midfielder winger and striker possible on loan 

He reckons two of them are still Kapaudi and Baradji.

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

It was totally utter pointless signing for Spurs cos he will never been there  

If they sell him on for a profit next summer, how is it a pointless signing?

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

There are other factors but I agree money was probably the driving force. But joining Spurs opens other doors to career progression.

Even at Under 21 level being at a London or a big 6 club increases the chance of International recognition.

You ask why top championship clubs havent signed him, that is sample. They want proven talent as they want promotion not somebody else's project. 

Time will tell if he has chosen the correct path but I agree with RF99 in that if he had stayed here he wouldn't have played the number of games in the championship that he already has. JDT played him only because he had to, if we had signed Batth the season  before, like we supposed to,  then he wouldn't have played that number.

I think that was main reason..

I do think Phillips would be regular next to Hyam right now if had stayed but he didn't. 

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

He reckons two of them are still Kapaudi and Baradji.

Possibilities. 

Baradji will come here if we completely restructure the transfer deal here and his club accept more of appearances based deal. I think.that ship has sailed personally 

25 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If they sell him on for a profit next summer, how is it a pointless signing?

Did he make a break throughout in Spurs first team then its pointless signing for them. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Possibilities. 

Baradji will come here if we completely restructure the transfer deal here and his club accept more of appearances based deal. I think.that ship has sailed personally 

Did he make a break throughout in Spurs first team then its pointless signing for them. 

Whilst I agree in footballing terms not much has come of it as Iv mentioned above but for spurs it’s not pointless if they make a decent profit on him

[roversfan99]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Money? Not everything is that, player development is what should be priority for these younger players yet it isnt

JDT did used him and was doing so whilst developing him. 

So why haven't top Championship club sign him now then? 

Moving to Spurs was about one thing, money. Nothing else

What an incredibly bitter post.

He has developed! You would perhaps have a point had he been just playing kids football for 2 years but he hasnt. He has played and this season will continue to play loads of football.

Phillips didnt even play 10 games under JDT. He has played 53 Championship games in the last 2 seasons and will play regularly again this season. If anything, far more than he would have played here where he was 5th choice and still had Hyam, Carter and Wharton ahead of him. So can you please tell me how the move was bad for his development.

Also, the idea that it will be pointless for Spurs even if they do sell him, considering a considerable profit will be turned over, again is ridiculous.

[MarkBRFC]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Possibilities. 

Baradji will come here if we completely restructure the transfer deal here and his club accept more of appearances based deal. I think.that ship has sailed personally 

 

Pretty obvious that Kapaudi isn't coming now, not sure why he's still trying to push that one.

Baradji I dunno, seems like they really want him, but it's a huge risk.

As for Phillips, another good season at Stoke and you could be looking at selling him for £6m plus next summer, how is it a pointless signing for them if they more than double there money on him, all while probably having the majority of his wages covered for a couple of years via his loan spells?

No guarentee he would have developed any better here, you're also forgetting that he's only just turned 20 years old.