2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[joey_big_nose]

The issue for Philips is hes decent but not outstanding at Championship level. For him going to Spurs made sense as his wasn't going to be a key player at a Championship club, so taking the short term wage boost at Spurs and being loaned out was the best financial option.

For a player at 16/17 who is a step above, like Wharton or hopefully Tyjon the financial reckoning is a bit different. 1) Rovers will offer a much higher wage than Philips had on the table 2) if they go on and play 30+ games they then will get bigger offers after a season or two 3) for a player who is good enough to be a key player they get the security of being prioritised and developed by their championship club rather than shunted around on different loans.

I think we are in a pretty good position with Tyjon. If it was someone truly exceptional like Rooney then we wouldnt have a chance as they could go straight into a prem first team squad. But Tyjon is in the zone where Rovers can offer him more development by being a key player.

[RoversTilliDie]

Vardys looking for a club next season, but I doubt we could afford him. A decent performance against Everton last week, but still the same problem, light on goals. We need to strengthen our strikeforce, and make them play for there places.

[joey_big_nose]

1 minute ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Vardys looking for a club next season, but I doubt we could afford him. A decent performance against Everton last week, but still the same problem, light on goals. We need to strengthen our strikeforce, and make them play for there places.

I think our days paying for experienced premier league players are long gone now. In todays market we wouldn't even be able to get Downing or Graham. It really stretches us to get even experienced Championship players like Cantwell, Baath or Wieman.

We're obviously trying to stick to 10k p/w max. I get the sense Eustace really had to push to get Cantwell.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Yes players in teams that are normally challenging in the playoff region are normally more sought after than those playing in relegation teams or mid table mediocrity 

im not fixating on it im making a point he could have got let’s say another 10/15 champ appearances (something your fixating on) as opposed to u21 football

we arent going to agree on this for me spurs wasn’t the right club at the time for him I said it at the time and nothing has changed my mind since. Financially I’m sure he’s better off no doubt 

Do you genuinely think he would have played 10-15 games more here than what he has moving?

He has played consistently, week in week out for 1 and a half of 2 years so that would only be bettered if he instantly had gone from 5th choice here to playing regularly. And we still had Hyam and Carter who were our centre backs when we finished 7th with Wharton also here so there is no way that he would have been a regular here in that first half season in which he went to Spurs and didnt play for a bit. 

You also mention being more sought after potentially because we are higher in the league. In that first season, we nearly went down. In the second season, he would perhaps have been even less likely to play under Eustace.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What an incredibly bitter post.

He has developed! You would perhaps have a point had he been just playing kids football for 2 years but he hasnt. He has played and this season will continue to play loads of football.

Phillips didnt even play 10 games under JDT. He has played 53 Championship games in the last 2 seasons and will play regularly again this season. If anything, far more than he would have played here where he was 5th choice and still had Hyam, Carter and Wharton ahead of him. So can you please tell me how the move was bad for his development.

Also, the idea that it will be pointless for Spurs even if they do sell him, considering a considerable profit will be turned over, again is ridiculous.

Nothing bitter in post firstly RF99. 

He would have a develop here if he stayed instead of chasing the money instead of being loaned here and there. I would say first choice next to Hyam 

Did he break through to Spurs first team? No then its a pointless signing for them. 

Wharton when he joined Palace made the right move cos he was playing regular, improving and now ready for a move one of the best teams. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

He reckons two of them are still Kapaudi and Baradji.

If they sell him on for a profit next summer, how is it a pointless signing?

 

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Possibilities. 

Baradji will come here if we completely restructure the transfer deal here and his club accept more of appearances based deal. I think.that ship has sailed personally 

Did he make a break throughout in Spurs first team then its pointless signing for them. 

No way is Kapuadi a possibility. He is clearly out of date with that comment.

We wanted a left footer to come in, wanted Kapuadi, couldnt afford him so got McLoughlin instead. I suspect any centre back who comes in now will be much cheaper and right footed as its only under consideration to cover Carter. 

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Pretty obvious that Kapaudi isn't coming now, not sure why he's still trying to push that one.

Baradji I dunno, seems like they really want him, but it's a huge risk.

As for Phillips, another good season at Stoke and you could be looking at selling him for £6m plus next summer, how is it a pointless signing for them if they more than double there money on him, all while probably having the majority of his wages covered for a couple of years via his loan spells?

No guarentee he would have developed any better here, you're also forgetting that he's only just turned 20 years old.

Yes it is pointless signing cos he isnt in the first team squad at Rovers. 

And no I haven't how old he is

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nothing bitter in post firstly RF99. 

He would have a develop here if he stayed instead of chasing the money instead of being loaned here and there. I would say first choice next to Hyam 

Did he break through to Spurs first team? No then its a pointless signing for them. 

Wharton when he joined Palace made the right move cos he was playing regular, improving and now ready for a move one of the best teams. 

You dont address peoples points, you just repeat your own.

Has he developed? Yes, he has played and this season will continue to play loads of football. 

Will it benefit Spurs? Yes, they will make a considerable profit on him so good investment.

And would he have immediately and suddenly have gone here from 5th choice to 2nd? No.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

 

No way is Kapuadi a possibility. He is clearly out of date with that comment.

We wanted a left footer to come in, wanted Kapuadi, couldnt afford him so got McLoughlin instead. I suspect any centre back who comes in now will be much cheaper and right footed as its only under consideration to cover Carter. 

Never comment on Kapuadi if you look closer at my reply to Mark

 

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Never comment on Kapuadi if you look closer at my reply to Mark

 

You said it was "a possibility" but my post was about Nixon supppsedly saying that we still want him. I think thats an out of date suggestion and you can discount it.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

You dont address peoples points, you just repeat your own.

Has he developed? Yes, he has played and this season will continue to play loads of football. 

Will it benefit Spurs? Yes, they will make a considerable profit on him so good investment.

Did he break through at Spurs? Did Spurs first team benefit from his signing? 

If he had stayed here over the last 2 years he would have broke through and we a first team regular now given his talent. 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

But we didn’t sign batth the season before and with Phillips here likely wouldn’t have needed to or at least wouldn’t have been a priority 

Phillips only played due to the lack of experienced cbs. At every opportunity that there was experienced available he was dropped. Wharton's long term injury gave Phillips a boost up the pecking order. 

JDT's first game Phillips wasnt even the first choice Academy player to come on with Barnes coming on ahead of him. Barnes' long term injury gave him another boost up the pecking order. 

If those two hadnt been injured Phillips COULD have been even lower down the pecking order and so his first team playing time was limited.

Phil Jones one the other hand held onto his first team place when circumstances prevailed because he looked comfortable in the first team where as  Phillips sometimes looked uncomfortable at times so I think Phillips wouldnt have got as much championship experience now if he had stayed at Rovers

[Ricky]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did he break through at Spurs? Did Spurs first team benefit from his signing? 

If he had stayed here over the last 2 years he would have broke through and we a first team regular now given his talent. 

He will benefit spurs financially. That’s the point that you are clearly missing or just being too stubborn to accept that you are wrong 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did he break through at Spurs? Did Spurs first team benefit from his signing? 

If he had stayed here over the last 2 years he would have broke through and we a first team regular now given his talent. 

So no acknowledgement of the fact that hes played so many games already having gone down the route he has, or the games he will play this season? Theres literally a Stoke fan in the Championship thread saying he was their best outfield player last season and that hes developed well and will go on to bigger things. Does that sound a player who has moved and had his development stunted?

Also, assuming he never breaks through at Spurs and is sold on. In your head, signing a player and then selling him at a massive profit is "pointless." 

He may have broken through here, although Hyam, Carter and Wharton are all still here. Big assumption to suggest that he would have instantly become first choice. But either way, even if he had, he would just match the regular game time he has already achieved, so how would he have been MORE developed had he stayed? Your alternative choice of staying would just at best give him the same exposure at the same level that he has had.

[chaddyrovers]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You said it was "a possibility" but my post was about Nixon supppsedly saying that we still want him. I think thats an out of date suggestion and you can discount it.

Nixon said it possibility not me

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Ricky said:

He will benefit spurs financially. That’s the point that you are clearly missing or just being too stubborn to accept that you are wrong 

I haven't dispute that point but my point it isn't benefit Spurs on the pitch for them which my post was about. He hasn't been Success for them

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So no acknowledgement of the fact that hes played so many games already having gone down the route he has, or the games he will play this season? Theres literally a Stoke fan in the Championship thread saying he was their best outfield player last season and that hes developed well and will go on to bigger things. Does that sound a player who has moved and had his development stunted?

Also, assuming he never breaks through at Spurs and is sold on. In your head, signing a player and then selling him at a massive profit is "pointless." 

He may have broken through here, although Hyam, Carter and Wharton are all still here. Big assumption to suggest that he would have instantly become first choice. But either way, even if he had, he would just match the regular game time he has already achieved, so how would he have been MORE developed had he stayed? Your alternative choice of staying would just at best give him the same exposure at the same level that he has had.

Carter has been injured alot in the last 2 years and Wharton just been out for 12 month. Again what you overlook repeatedly is that. 

You just ignored my point repeatedly on whether he has been success for Spurs for them? Answer he hasn't. Its been totally pointless signing for them on the pitch for them. That's was my entire point

[London blue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Carter has been injured alot in the last 2 years and Wharton just been out for 12 month. Again what you overlook repeatedly is that. 

You just ignored my point repeatedly on whether he has been success for Spurs for them? Answer he hasn't. Its been totally pointless signing for them on the pitch for them. That's was my entire point

No, no. You changed your point halfway through.

You're SO determined to be right that you changed "pointless for Spurs" to "pointless on the pitch".

Let's debate in good faith.

[MarkBRFC]

If Alebiosu came here for 500k, didn't play a game, spent a year or so out on loan, and we sold him for £2m afterwards, Chaddy would be saying it's a great move for everybody concerned.

Edited yesterday at 09:16 by MarkBRFC

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Carter has been injured alot in the last 2 years and Wharton just been out for 12 month. Again what you overlook repeatedly is that. 

You just ignored my point repeatedly on whether he has been success for Spurs for them? Answer he hasn't. Its been totally pointless signing for them on the pitch for them. That's was my entire point

He has, but the only game time he has missed since moving on is for that 6 month period prior to going to Plymouth. He may well have been in line to fill in when those got injured. But a simple yes or no, do you genuinely think he would have played more than 50 Championship games in the last 2 seasons had he stayed, with another season of regular football to come?

And even if you think that which seems revisionist, can you not acknowledge that he HAS developed lots since he moved by being exposed to lots of regular Championshiop football? He wouldnt have been any better off even if he had stayed because at best he would have only been doing what he has been doing anyway and playing Championship football.

He clearly wasnt signed to have an immediate impact on the pitch. They signed a young lad who hadnt really played much Championship football. We have signed loads of players (like any club) for the future. Mafoumbi, Barrett, Doherty and many others. Are they all wastes of time too? You only think players signed for the first team have any point.

They signed a young lad for cheap. They will hope one day he will make the first team. If not they know they can churn out a considerable profit on him. So its an undeniably good bit of business.

[roversfan99]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

If Alebiosu came here for 500k, didn't play a game, spent a year or so out on loan, and we sold him for £2m afterwards, Chaddy would be saying it's a great move for everybody concerned.

"Good to see him get some first team football"

[Exiled_Rover]

21 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If Alebiosu came here for 500k, didn't play a game, spent a year or so out on loan, and we sold him for £2m afterwards, Chaddy would be saying it's a great move for everybody concerned.

Yes, but we move in different circles to Spurs.

Them buying a player for £2m and selling him for £6m is a rounding error in their accounts.

[Old Codger]

1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

I think our days paying for experienced premier league players are long gone now. In todays market we wouldn't even be able to get Downing or Graham. It really stretches us to get even experienced Championship players like Cantwell, Baath or Wieman.

We're obviously trying to stick to 10k p/w max. I get the sense Eustace really had to push to get Cantwell.

Oh for the chutzpah that brought Duncan McKenzie, Ossie Ardiles,  Steve Archibald etc to our club...

Instead we are desperate to hoover up scraps from clubs who were once well in our shadow..

Oh, the mighty are fallen indeed!

McKenzie is still around, mind 😉

VENKYS OUT!

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you genuinely think he would have played 10-15 games more here than what he has moving?

He has played consistently, week in week out for 1 and a half of 2 years so that would only be bettered if he instantly had gone from 5th choice here to playing regularly. And we still had Hyam and Carter who were our centre backs when we finished 7th with Wharton also here so there is no way that he would have been a regular here in that first half season in which he went to Spurs and didnt play for a bit. 

You also mention being more sought after potentially because we are higher in the league. In that first season, we nearly went down. In the second season, he would perhaps have been even less likely to play under Eustace.

We aren’t going to agree and nothing can be proved it’s all ifs buts and maybes

i I just personally think spurs was the wrong footballing move for him

I think he could have got maybe a lesser name than spurs but a better chance at playing prem football if he had of stuck around another year or two made his name here (I rate/rated him highly enough to become our starting cb) spurs clearly didn’t they played a cm in Archie gray at cb at 19 in his position I think that says a lot 

good luck to him though glad he’s getting the game time 

 

[Danny O.Brien]

I really think if ohashi can stay fit and with a full pre season behind him can go and get 20+ goals this season. Maybe that's more hope than belief. He has shown already he can score all different types of goals. I think gueye offers something completely different, he's never going to score as many but can play a big role with what he does do. So I've no problem with those two competing up front. That is of course unless we have the chance to bring in some real quality. I'd be more concerned with the rest of the team especially out wide contributing with goals and assists. That is where our attention should be focused. Outside of signing up Travis trons dad and brittain.