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Posted
2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Interesting little tidbit from the manager there, that they'd been after Morishita for weeks.

We genuinely hadn't heard a sniff about it.Β 

That's what been good. Keeping our targets away from the media.Β 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Ah c'mon that's too far.Β The heart was ripped out of the club many years ago.Β 

Players like Buckley, Travis, S. Wharton wouldn't have got a sniff when we were good.Β 

I think Tony makes a fair point. The players you list aren't Premier League level but they're good level Championship players and relatively speaking have some sort of affinity for the Club which always helps.

Of course if their replacements turn out to be better it matters not one jot where they come from but that remains to be seen.

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Posted

I still think that people are underestimating the holes that some of the leaving players have left.

They might not be fancy exotic names with youtube highlight reels but they were crucial players in us doing so well. Travis is a leader but hes not just that, he might not be a silky player but hes an intelligent one. He reads danger, he protects the defence, he wins the ball back high up, and he manages games well. If he played instead of Tavares v Birmingham we win that game. Hes also not as bad on the ball as people make out.

I think McLoughlin might be our best signing and I think he will do better than Batth does at Derby, but not as good as Batth did for us last season. He was superb. Brittain is the best right back in the league, I think both of our new ones show promise and our sub RB will be much stronger this season, but our starter will be weaker. No shame on either, but its going to be so hard to equal Brittain. Dolan has his critics, he isnt stand out at this level, but he is a good Championship winger who had a productive season. Beck and Weimann played lesser roles but still important.

I am not saying that some of the new signings arent quite exciting and some could go on to be really shrewd pick ups. But there is a lot to just equal the side we had last season, never mind eclipse it which has to be the aim.

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Posted
7 hours ago, aletheia said:

As it stands, Rev.

And I wasn't discounting the sale of JRC -Euros 870k

Thought it was the other way as the mooted fee was 1 million pounds so 1.16 million euros?

Posted
36 minutes ago, ROVER_N_OUT1978 said:

Le Telegramme in France reporting our interest in Soumano and confirming talks taking place but they also state Lorient have set the price at €6m . Can't see that happening if that's the case.

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https://www.letelegramme.fr/sports/football/fc-lorient/une-offre-tombe-pour-lattaquant-du-fc-lorient-sambou-soumano-6876878.php

Saw him score the first goal on Sunday v 9 man Rennes. Big range guy. Did OK for his goalΒ 

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Posted

So.....we could have had a very productive window in terms of sales once Travis goes.

Brittain cΒ£3.5m

TravisΒ  Β c Β£4m if Wrexham get him.

Buckley and JRC c Β£1m each.Β 

c Β£9.5m.

Posted

Weird question that I've always wondered as someone who visits the area, which hotel do these players live in when they first arrive? In Manchester?Β 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Weird question that I've always wondered as someone who visits the area, which hotel do these players live in when they first arrive? In Manchester?Β 

Most stay at what was The Avenue, now owned by Dunny, especially close to the end of the window and are then given advice on where to live from the captain and liaison. Younger players tend to go towards Manchester, those with families often stay local.Β 

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Posted

That Telegramme has 177k followers and is the Lorient local paper/site.

May be something to it who knows but if they're looking for €6m they're having a laugh. Even Lorient fans saying that's way over priced for the ladΒ 

Posted
19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I still think that people are underestimating the holes that some of the leaving players have left.

They might not be fancy exotic names with youtube highlight reels but they were crucial players in us doing so well. Travis is a leader but hes not just that, he might not be a silky player but hes an intelligent one. He reads danger, he protects the defence, he wins the ball back high up, and he manages games well. If he played instead of Tavares v Birmingham we win that game. Hes also not as bad on the ball as people make out.

I think McLoughlin might be our best signing and I think he will do better than Batth does at Derby, but not as good as Batth did for us last season. He was superb. Brittain is the best right back in the league, I think both of our new ones show promise and our sub RB will be much stronger this season, but our starter will be weaker. No shame on either, but its going to be so hard to equal Brittain. Dolan has his critics, he isnt stand out at this level, but he is a good Championship winger who had a productive season. Beck and Weimann played lesser roles but still important.

I am not saying that some of the new signings arent quite exciting and some could go on to be really shrewd pick ups. But there is a lot to just equal the side we had last season, never mind eclipse it which has to be the aim.

What happens if you are over estimating it?Β 

We will see over a season whether it's been problem or not so much. Also need factoring in the changes tactical that has happened this season.Β 

Posted
16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I still think that people are underestimating the holes that some of the leaving players have left.

They might not be fancy exotic names with youtube highlight reels but they were crucial players in us doing so well. Travis is a leader but hes not just that, he might not be a silky player but hes an intelligent one. He reads danger, he protects the defence, he wins the ball back high up, and he manages games well. If he played instead of Tavares v Birmingham we win that game. Hes also not as bad on the ball as people make out.

I think McLoughlin might be our best signing and I think he will do better than Batth does at Derby, but not as good as Batth did for us last season. He was superb. Brittain is the best right back in the league, I think both of our new ones show promise and our sub RB will be much stronger this season, but our starter will be weaker. No shame on either, but its going to be so hard to equal Brittain. Dolan has his critics, he isnt stand out at this level, but he is a good Championship winger who had a productive season. Beck and Weimann played lesser roles but still important.

I am not saying that some of the new signings arent quite exciting and some could go on to be really shrewd pick ups. But there is a lot to just equal the side we had last season, never mind eclipse it which has to be the aim.

You’re doing that direct comparison thing again mate, I get it because you’re a logical thinker but it’s not that straight forward.

You could probably apply it more if JE had stayed and then we’d lost Dolan, Travis, Brittain, Batth, Buckley and Weimann. But with VI coming in and having watched us at the back end of last season and early this season, I’m genuinely glad most of them didn’t sign and I can understand why others have left.

Its a new world now and rightly or wrongly the profile - in particular the physical attributes of the signings we’ve made are like night and day to what we had.

So, the β€˜glaring holes’ you refer to are really hard to justify. Tavares would’ve replaced one of Travis or Sonny in Val’s new midfield. Not because they’re not good players, because he wants bigger, stronger athletic types.

It’s done now, this is the biggest shift we’ve had in years.Β 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, gumboots said:

I'm going to Lorient again on Saturday to watch them play Lille so will see if he plays or not.Β 

Needs doing this week if it's a goer, with the window closing 7pm on Monday or I wouldn't have confidence in them getting it done on time.

Hang on, I wonder if they realise it closes at 7 πŸ₯² if one of the club plants is reading this, remind/inform the powers that be please....

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Posted
46 minutes ago, J*B said:

Most stay at what was The Avenue, now owned by Dunny, especially close to the end of the window and are then given advice on where to live from the captain and liaison. Younger players tend to go towards Manchester, those with families often stay local.Β 

I thought the player liaison lady was fired?

Posted
24 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Needs doing this week if it's a goer, with the window closing 7pm on Monday or I wouldn't have confidence in them getting it done on time.

Hang on, I wonder if they realise it closes at 7 πŸ₯² if one of the club plants is reading this, remind/inform the powers that be please....

Think they'd be better telling them it's 5pm.

Posted
21 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

Are you Hibs and Rovers mate? I thought it was just me that was cursed with that. Know loads of Scottish Rovers fans, had a strong Scottish contingent through the years.


Bowie is some player, btw.Β 

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I don’t really have a Scottish team tbh, I watch some games and I live near Aberdeen more than anyone so keep an eye out for them and yea spose I have a soft spot for hibs too, always seem to produce good young players.Β 

Posted
2 hours ago, rob_of_the_rovers said:

What's happening with Garrett? Had a couple of awful loans last season but surely looks to have more about him than Montgomery.

Neither will make it at Championship level - these are not kids with Garrett 22 and Montgomery 21.

Garrett has struggled on loan at lower league level whilst perhaps Montgomery found his level at Marine and Chorley last season.Β  They would struggle even in League 2.

For perspective, neither can hold a candle to John Buckley who first broke into Rovers 1st team at 19 and has amassed circa150ish appearances since.

Good luck John Buckley - a move to fresh pastures overseas might just clear his head and give him a focus.Β  There is talent there but the lad does need to sort himself out.

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Posted (edited)

Garrett has a torn groin and is out until at least Oct/Nov I believe. Might get a loan in Jan I guess, but yeah never quite kicked on as we all hoped after JDT left.

In theory he's a good fit for Ismael, 6'2 and athletic, hard working with some ball playing ability. Next summer will be decision time I think.

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Posted

Very cynical and insensitive of me but I'm not fussed Buckley is gone.Β  Moreover, the fact he never advanced as a player from more or less his debut and the fact he's now signed in Saudi in his prime id suggest are related, and as much as it's sad hes leaving after 20 years I'd be asking myself why if that was me and be looking at my motivations and whether my decisions such as this move will help me furtherΒ 

Posted
1 hour ago, smudger said:

I think you are forgetting the woeful Keith Andrews and sick note Grella played in our team before the club went to shit. You can't tell me these were better footballers than JB or LT

Keith Andrews was a fairly shit Premiership midfielder.

Then we loaned him to the Championship with Ipswich and he immediately scored 9 goals in 20 Championship matches. Different levels altogether these two tiers. JB and LT were never as dominant as that in the Championship at any point in their careers. OP was right, JB and LT would never have been regulars when we were a good Prem side. At best they'd have made a smattering of substitute/cup appearances, been loaned out, and never seen at Ewood again.

Posted
4 minutes ago, B16Rover said:

Very cynical and insensitive of me but I'm not fussed Buckley is gone.Β  Moreover, the fact he never advanced as a player from more or less his debut and the fact he's now signed in Saudi in his prime id suggest are related, and as much as it's sad hes leaving after 20 years I'd be asking myself why if that was me and be looking at my motivations and whether my decisions such as this move will help me furtherΒ 

Agreed, I was done with him. Probably a nice lad, had talent as a footballer, but hadn't applied himself properly for years, and had never done so consistently for more than about 3 months. He had been in more last chance saloons than I can count. I wish him well, but it was long past time for him to go. I don't think he has the personality to be a success at this level.

Posted

The way deals are happening without much or anything leaking, Morishita being the latest example of that, is what makes this a potentially exciting end to the window.

No sarcasm when I say that. We don't know what might be lined up and despite Rudy's words on the budget being unaffected, it's obvious they have raised quite a bit of money from sales. A percentage of this being added to the pot isn't a wild thought.

I agree with Duncan's view that Rudy has more of an understanding with Pasha than any other before him. This could be to our benefit. It appears they are all together as it stands and that they are trying to improve the team by meeting what the manager wants.

The encouraging sign for me is the creativity being shown and most of the new signings clearly having something about them. We can't call them successes yet, but these aren't in the same mould as the likes of Paul Taylor (who?), Varney, Brown, Fode Koita, Edun, Mola, Telalovic etc where you're thinking 'wtf!' (even after seeing them play).

Personally, I can't wait to see Baradji driving forward from midfield and our Japanese attack linking up. I think Baradji is going to be one of those where we go 'wow'.

Sentiment aside regarding Academy and English players, I particularly like the ruthless way 'wooden' players are being moved on. This needed to happen years ago.

JRC and Buckley, despite given chance after chance, have demonstrated, IMO, that they are not good enough to play for us. In Buckley's case he has gone backwards as a player. I wish them well at their new clubs and this isn't personal. We need better. It looks like Rudy and Ismael actively want better too and I'm pleased about that.

I also wouldn't blink in moving Leonard, Pears and one or two more out too if we have the opportunity to replace them.

"But they are Academy lads".

Yeah, and? We've been out of the Premier League for 13 years now. This game is about winning and trying to win.

Only my opinion, but sentiment shouldn't come into this. These guys aren't good enough for where we need to get to. If we can bring in better, move them on.

You won't hear Newcastle fans saying "Aargh, I wish we had kept Longstaff, I wish we had kept Elliot Anderson...they were Academy lads" when they can do a lot better and ARE doing a lot better.

Even with these owners and Pasha being here, we can do better than those we are allowing to leave.

Posted
1 hour ago, ROVER_N_OUT1978 said:

May be something to it who knows but if they're looking for €6m they're having a laugh. Even Lorient fans saying that's way over priced for the ladΒ 

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

Needs doing this week if it's a goer, with the window closing 7pm on Monday or I wouldn't have confidence in them getting it done on time.

Has "Fax Machine" written all over it this one.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Hasta said:

I’d hardly call two sides that were 7/1 to go up as β€˜promotion favourites’. And this β€˜different referee’ myth is snowballing. A different ref sends Henriksson off for two early yellow. Yes we should have equalised with a penalty at the end of the half, but we created nothing in that game otherwise.

Against Birmingham we threw it away due to lack of quality for both of their goals. De Neve getting skinned for the penalty and a poor corner.Β 
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Hull was a massive moral boost but we are still 3 losses from 4. I’d like to see how we do on Saturday before I start believing we are going to be ok this season and can look at the top half rather than the bottom half. Morishita looks a cracking signing mind you.

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Eh? Birmingham were one of the favourites to win the league, let alone get promoted, at 2-1 at one point. They're currently second favourites to win the league and second favourites to get promoted. Not sure where you got the notion they were 7-1 for promotion. West Brom currently 6th favourites for promotion (oddschecker).

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