v Ipswich Town (h) - 20/9/25

[XLM]

29 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Why would you want to lose a replay or go through another fixture crammed in 95+ mins and get....... 1 point.

They should never have scrapped the result stands after 75 mins rule that was black and white.

The lines are now blurred so it seems any suggestion is viable and if that is the worst i'm Henry the 8th.

Too much fuss and faff with everything these days and how do you sort this and make everyone happy ?

You can't so minimise it on both sides.

Are you trying to say call it a draw? I don't understand why we would want to call it a win and get 1 point? What's the difference? And why would Ipswich accept getting no points but not accept us getting 3? How does that solution "minimise" anything?

Ipswich are just as unhappy as if we are awarded the 3 points, and we are just as unhappy as if the game is replayed from scratch.

I'm so confused.

[rigger]

9 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Back to the 'cost v points' issue that just doesn't resonate with this lot, if you can make do with a league 1 budget and get by then that's what you'll get.

Classic case of penny wise pound foolish again investing in constant reseeding and stitch pitches to get a great surface but ignoring the foundations of it that will always dictate what happens on the surface.

Clown show.

What we need at the club is a head of drainage.

[Tomphil2]

1 minute ago, XLM said:

Are you trying to say call it a draw? I don't understand why we would want to call it a win and get 1 point? What's the difference? And why would Ipswich accept getting no points but not accept us getting 3? How does that solution "minimise" anything?

Ipswich are just as unhappy as if we are awarded the 3 points, and we are just as unhappy as if the game is replayed from scratch.

I'm so confused.

The match wasn't completed so normal circumstances don't apply.

So i'm looking at it from a damage limitation perspective, yes they moan and so would we but it softens the blow a bit to them and at least gives us something without going through it all again and getting nowt.

By the time the replay comes around they might have hit top gear,might even have signed more players so i'd happily just grab a point now and move on and stop all the faffing about.

All hypothetical though because the only debate at EFL will be result stands or full replay.

Anything else is wishful thinking.

[Cherry Blue]

4 hours ago, steelcityblue said:

Really can’t see how either team could complain if ordered to play the remaining time 11v10. It’s clearly the fairest option of those tabled and doesn’t seem to have any reason why it can’t be accomplished. It is in the rules as a specific option so what would be the reason for not doing it? If Ipswich don’t want to travel for it they have the option of forfeiting the game. Let anyone that wants to watch 15mins football in for free and job done. 

Its still a guessing game. Decision is taking more time than expected but surely the EFL know by now. Maybe they have put steelcityblue's option to Ipswich with a deadline date for getting back to get back. 

[Tomphil2]

9 minutes ago, rigger said:

What we need at the club is a head of drainage.

I can think of a few heads i'd like to ram up the drain hole.

[danger19_80]

 

[XLM]

12 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

The match wasn't completed so normal circumstances don't apply.

So i'm looking at it from a damage limitation perspective, yes they moan and so would we but it softens the blow a bit to them and at least gives us something without going through it all again and getting nowt.

By the time the replay comes around they might have hit top gear,might even have signed more players so i'd happily just grab a point now and move on and stop all the faffing about.

All hypothetical though because the only debate at EFL will be result stands or full replay.

Anything else is wishful thinking.

That's fair enough, I just don't understand how it's better for us than calling it a draw. Seems like it would make everyone as unhappy as possible.

Can't imagine it will be anything other than a replay, but the objectively most fair thing to do is to play the last 10 mins plus stoppage time at 11v10. Still not as good for us as just finishing the game at the time, but no one could reasonably complain and it's exactly the same amount of effort as playing a full 90 except we lose out on gate receipts.

Edited 2 hours ago by XLM

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

Yeah most on here would rather just moan when the game is ordered full replay 11 v 11 because their is no middle ground that rewards us for our efforts but doesn't make it as big an advantage as the full win.

So come on lets ram in another game from 0-0 and take the bigger risk of getting fuck all.

The fairest middle ground has already been repeatedly suggested. Finish the match.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

If they’re not willing to look at each case individually they should remove the flexibility to do so from the rules. 

Agreed, but it probably remains so that if a game is 3-0 with 2 minutes of injury time left to play they can just call it. I suspect they'll only use it when it's beyond obvious what the outcome will be.

The partial replay I doubt they'll ever use so it may as well go.

[KentExile]

8 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The fairest middle ground has already been repeatedly suggested. Finish the match.

Yep, and If they really must, then in the interests of integrity, they could also order that at least X number of players on each side are the same players as those who were on the pitch when the game was abandoned, in the same way that they dictate how many players from the last league game must start low priority cup games

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[TruRover]

Finishing the match behind closed doors is the simple solution. Just play the final 15.
 

No fans, but both teams can stream the game. 
 

Both teams can pick a brand new starting team, same players don’t need to be picked etc. Ofc Ipswich start with 10. 
 

Can anyone find the issue with that? 

[Tomphil2]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The fairest middle ground has already been repeatedly suggested. Finish the match.

But that in itself won't suit Ipswich either they'd not want that over a full replay.

Coming 250 miles to play 10/15 mins how do you arrange that ?

Sure it would be great for Rovers to trot out on the training ground or Ewood on a Tuesday afternoon but it isn't really desirable from their point of view is it. They'd say they were being punished because of a situation out of their control being dragged half way up the country for 15 mins with ten men.

The ONLY credible outcome is result stands anything else is doing them a favour.

[Tom]

4 minutes ago, TruRover said:

Finishing the match behind closed doors is the simple solution. Just play the final 15.
 

No fans, but both teams can stream the game. 
 

Both teams can pick a brand new starting team, same players don’t need to be picked etc. Ofc Ipswich start with 10. 
 

Can anyone find the issue with that? 

I can find a small issue yes; picking new teams with them 1-0 down they’d just start all their attacking players; nothing to lose.

You want it as close to original game as possible really.

I genuinely can’t see past a full rematch given the nuances  

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, TruRover said:

Finishing the match behind closed doors is the simple solution. Just play the final 15.
 

No fans, but both teams can stream the game. 
 

Both teams can pick a brand new starting team, same players don’t need to be picked etc. Ofc Ipswich start with 10. 
 

Can anyone find the issue with that? 

The EFL.

[GHD]

1 minute ago, Tomphil2 said:

 

Coming 250 miles to play 10/15 mins how do you arrange that ?

 

You book a Waggott bus

[Rogerb]

This can could well be kicked down the road for months in the hope that by the last few weeks of the season neither club is involved in either the promotion or relegation stakes before they get off the fence to make a decision 

[barry_]

1 hour ago, GHD said:

I think most of us agree that the wilful neglect of the infrastructure was  likely a major contributory factor on Saturday. To play devils advocate, it is also a fact that the railway line between Blackburn and Bolton was closed around teatime on Saturday, 

the flooding occured at 17.56... if we'd played there we could've finished the game 😉

[RevidgeBlue]

38 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

So in a couple of replies you've basically offered up Ipswich's very stern case of defence in regards there must be a replay.

Also stating the case that non of it should ever be up for debate because the rule should always be a replay.

And also 

No - because currently the rule isn't that there should automatically be a full replay. Nor that a result should stand after x mins. As Ive already said several times in this thread I think its correct the EFL have absolute discretion and technically any solution is available.

I dont think we or anyone else should be awarded the points in the circumstances that occurred on Saturday - it suits us now but I wouldn't like us to be on the wrong end of that in future. Obviously if we had been three up with a minute to go the situation would be entirely different which again is why absolute discretion is useful.

On the other hand I dont favour a full replay - as Ive said several times the fairest solution would be a part replay 11 v 10 if only the EFL have the stones to depart from the norm.

Where have I stated that none of it ever should be up for debate or that it should always be a full replay? That's basically the opposite of what I've been saying.

[London blue]

It'll be a full replay, it's abundantly clear that the EFL will want to protect themselves from backlash and/or litigation and declaring the 80 mins played null is the best way to do that.

I think playing the rest of the match is the most fair thing to do.

I also think declaring a win for Rovers but awarding only one point is just laughable.

[GHD]

10 minutes ago, barry_ said:

the flooding occured at 17.56... if we'd played there we could've finished the game 😉

My daughter went for the 17:04 from Bolton which was terminated there

[CaptainBeanfart]

25 minutes ago, TruRover said:

Finishing the match behind closed doors is the simple solution. Just play the final 15.
 

No fans, but both teams can stream the game. 
 

Both teams can pick a brand new starting team, same players don’t need to be picked etc. Ofc Ipswich start with 10. 
 

Can anyone find the issue with that? 

The issue is that there is absolutely no precedent for it, and nothing that separates this game from others that have had full replays ordered.

[bluebruce]

17 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

But that in itself won't suit Ipswich either they'd not want that over a full replay.

Coming 250 miles to play 10/15 mins how do you arrange that ?

Sure it would be great for Rovers to trot out on the training ground or Ewood on a Tuesday afternoon but it isn't really desirable from their point of view is it. They'd say they were being punished because of a situation out of their control being dragged half way up the country for 15 mins with ten men.

The ONLY credible outcome is result stands anything else is doing them a favour.

What does what Ipswich want have to do with it? I'm talking about the fairest outcome, not what either side wants. Ipswich aren't morally entitled to some reversal of their failures simply because bad weather interrupted the match.

How do you arrange it? The same way you arrange 90 minutes, except it's easier as they'll be back on the coach quicker. It's a complete non-point.

They'd say they were being punished, well they aren't in any meaningful way, certainly far less than we would be if a full replay happened.

Your last remarks here completely undermines your previous points about what Ipswich want. I'm certain they'd rather have a crack at getting a point back than be guaranteed nothing. If that's not the case they should just give up on their season right now.

[RevidgeBlue]

17 minutes ago, Tom said:

I can find a small issue yes; picking new teams with them 1-0 down they’d just start all their attacking players; nothing to lose.

You want it as close to original game as possible really.

I genuinely can’t see past a full rematch given the nuances  

Would a rule that (unless both parties agree otherwise) 

"in the event of an abandonment the remaining part of the game shall be replayed under conditions as similar as possible to when the game was originally called off"

work?

Or would it raise more problems than it would solve?

[GHD]

9 minutes ago, London blue said:

It'll be a full replay, it's abundantly clear that the EFL will want to protect themselves from backlash and/or litigation and declaring the 80 mins played null is the best way to do that.

I think playing the rest of the match is the most fair thing to do.

I also think declaring a win for Rovers but awarding only one point is just laughable.

If the panel decision comes within the regulations I wouldn’t think there were grounds for litigation. Taking part in the competition means clubs accept the rules

[Tomphil2]

1 minute ago, bluebruce said:

What does what Ipswich want have to do with it? I'm talking about the fairest outcome, not what either side wants. Ipswich aren't morally entitled to some reversal of their failures simply because bad weather interrupted the match.

How do you arrange it? The same way you arrange 90 minutes, except it's easier as they'll be back on the coach quicker. It's a complete non-point.

They'd say they were being punished, well they aren't in any meaningful way, certainly far less than we would be if a full replay happened.

Your last remarks here completely undermines your previous points about what Ipswich want. I'm certain they'd rather have a crack at getting a point back than be guaranteed nothing. If that's not the case they should just give up on their season right now.

Most of the suggestions are hypothetical as is mine and the last bit is reality.

Don't treat everything on here like we are in a court of law.

Which by the way is probably how the EFL will treat it.... result or replay, there'll be two choices only.