January Transfer Needs

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, KentExile said:

Purley financial, he is getting paid an average Championship wage, Rovers don't want to pay that much any more

The more cynical would also suggest an agent’s fee in regard to signing his replacement will be higher than an agent’s fee for facilitating the renewal of his contract. 

[islander200]

We should be spending a bit of money on a centre back that Is better than any of our defenders. 

But bringing back O'Riordan will leave us with Miller, Pratt,McLoughlin, Wharton and Carter 6 centre backs. Doesn't feel like they will look to bring in another defender which will be a mistake. Unless O'Riordan is being brought back for us to have a look at him and if we do sign an experienced centre back will then be sent back to Doncaster for the rest of the season. Or if Carter or Wharton are expected to be out longer term. I just don't see them having 7 centre halves registered in the squad and be harsh now to leave Pratt out in favour of O'Riordan 

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, islander200 said:

We should be spending a bit of money on a centre back that Is better than any of our defenders. 

But bringing back O'Riordan will leave us with Miller, Pratt,McLoughlin, Wharton and Carter 6 centre backs. Doesn't feel like they will look to bring in another defender which will be a mistake. Unless O'Riordan is being brought back for us to have a look at him and if we do sign an experienced centre back will then be sent back to Doncaster for the rest of the season. Or if Carter or Wharton are expected to be out longer term. I just don't see them having 7 centre halves registered in the squad and be harsh now to leave Pratt out in favour of O'Riordan 

They definitely wont sign more than 1, if even they do that.

But whats the point in naming Carter? Its clear that he cant even be relied on as a squad player.

And Wharton isnt back until February and although his injuries tend to be more serious rather than continious muscle injuries, he cant be relied upon.

Normally 3 from 6 or 7 would be fine, even if the quality there which it isnt IMO. But when 2 of them are Wharton and Carter, its not enough. They are not serious options.

It would become 3 from 2 new signings, O'Riordan who is far from proven, Pratt who has only just emerged, and McLoughlin and Miller who are nothing special.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont fail to understand. Just because I dont agree with you, it doesnt mean that I just have no understanding of the rules.

For me, its not just about listing players which you repeatedly do. If there are 3 positions up for grabs, as far as you are concerned, if you can name 6 or more players who can play those positions, whether they are good enough, whether theyve proven themselves yet, whether they are constantly injured, it doesnt seem to matter to you. I am bothered about quality. I dont think we have enough. And how is signing first team quality players "wasting money?"

We have so many players in the squad who are nowhere near the standard. Gueye, De Neve, Henriksson, Tavares, Kargbo. Conversations can be had, give them time unlike the disgraceful way we treated Sigurdsson. Say theres a big chance that you wont be registered if you stay, things havent worked out, you arent part of the plans going forward. Ribeiro I think a similar conversation because he no longer has a place in the formation. With Carter, hes a waste of a space to be honest. 

This wont happen by the way, we will end the window still full of crap in the squad. But it needs to happen.

I'm not just listing players as you suggested but the reality of what the situation actually is. 

I asked you a very simple question of, so do we not register Carter or Wharton then? no response again, just ignored again. Do we let Carter go then if he such a waste of space as you suggest? 

We had the option to not play these injured players like Carter and Wharton, get rid if you want. I would be tempted to get rid of Carter down to injury record. I pleased O'Riordan has been recalled and for one we need 1 more centre back signing. That's enough for me, Plus add Miller, Litherland and Atcheson to that. 

Yes Rovers have decisions to make over some players and given the comments from Ismael on this, its appears some will leave and that will allow us to sign 3 or 4 players. 

I would sell Gueye, Ribeiro, De Neve and Tyjon go in this window. Would keep Pickering as left wing back option with Hedges. On Henriksson and Tavares, I wouldn't write them off at this stage. We need to find what role Tavares is going to play and Henriksson I would give him the rest of the season. 

 

[DE.]

28 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Purley financial, he is getting paid an average Championship wage, Rovers don't want to pay that much any more.

Don't worry, a random from Belgium will be on his way in a cut price deal, 50/50 he will be the midfield equivalent of an Alebiosu or a De Neve

We all know where this ends, too. If we aren't willing to pay decent Championship wages we will soon not be playing in the Championship anymore. Those in charge may be arrogant enough to believe they have the secret to success that bypasses the need to pay proper wages, but they will find they are wrong. We've already bombed from playoff contenders to relegation scrappers within half a season - it won't be long before they do enough damage to relegate us. Could still happen this season, although I think we may be saved by Oxford and Portsmouth (Sheff Weds are obv already goners). 

[neophox]

We need to sign a striker that's for sure... defensively we are quite good and have a feeling O'Riordan will be a superb Defender for us.

[M_B]

51 minutes ago, DutchRover said:

For the life of me I can't understand why we refuse to resign Tronstad. He's clearly the glue in midfield and all the players and Ismael love him, and he actively wants to stay. I can't even imagine his wage demands are outlandish, especially if the alleged move home to Scandi land is real.

We save money by not having to replace him too.

He is top priority in Jan.

He seems happy enough, maybe he'll change his mind, I hope he does.

If him and his family want to move nearer home though, then maybe let's just respect his wishes,there doesn't always have to be someone at fault. 

[KentExile]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

He seems happy enough, maybe he'll change his mind, I hope he does.

If him and his family want to move nearer home though, then maybe let's just respect his wishes,there doesn't always have to be someone at fault. 

Apparently he has never stated that

 

8 hours ago, KentExile said:

This made interesting listening, Tronstad apparently has denied stating he wants to move back to Scandinavia.  It should start playing when he is the topic of conversation

 

 

[M_B]

Just now, KentExile said:

Apparently he has never stated that

 

 

He has according to Andy Bayes on radio Lancs the other night. 

[roversfan99]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm not just listing players as you suggested but the reality of what the situation actually is. 

I asked you a very simple question of, so do we not register Carter or Wharton then? no response again, just ignored again. Do we let Carter go then if he such a waste of space as you suggest? 

We had the option to not play these injured players like Carter and Wharton, get rid if you want. I would be tempted to get rid of Carter down to injury record. I pleased O'Riordan has been recalled and for one we need 1 more centre back signing. That's enough for me, Plus add Miller, Litherland and Atcheson to that. 

Yes Rovers have decisions to make over some players and given the comments from Ismael on this, its appears some will leave and that will allow us to sign 3 or 4 players. 

I would sell Gueye, Ribeiro, De Neve and Tyjon go in this window. Would keep Pickering as left wing back option with Hedges. On Henriksson and Tavares, I wouldn't write them off at this stage. We need to find what role Tavares is going to play and Henriksson I would give him the rest of the season. 

 

Maybe 1 would be enough. But you keep saying thats enough in terms of numbers in a list. Is there enough quality in those options? I would suggest not but we clearly have different standards on quality needed.

Ive listed loads of players that I would happily ship out. I named 6 players currently registered that are of no use to us. We IMO need 2 centre backs, a right wing back and 2 strikers minimum, so in theory, we wouldnt need to deregister Carter if the window went as planned. But if it came to it, then yes, deregister him because hes no use if he cant even get through a week of training. You say potentially sell him, who on earth is buying him with that injury record? Wharton is a bit different, he at least at times can sustain himself for a run of games so I would certainly register him.

Why are you happy to write off De Neve 6 months in but not Tavares or Henriksson? 

[KentExile]

Obviously

 

 

As always, decisions made for financial rather than footballing reasons.  He has shown he is a better option than either Ribeiro or De Neve.  But his wage is the higher of those 3, so he is the one who is to be sold off.

Still have no idea why Powell has not been tried at least off the bench, as he already looks at least the second best option for left wing back, and has potential to be our first choice there for years

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Still have no idea why Powell has not been tried at least off the bench, as he already looks at least the second best option for left wing back, and has potential to be our first choice there for years

That's why I would be very open to allowing Ribeiro to leave and keep Hedges and Pickering as wing back for the left side plus Powell to back that up. 

[MarkBRFC]

14 hours ago, Comfortably numb said:

That Roverspaper account is one of the worst on twitter.

14 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i found it weird that o`riordan was highly rated at crewe but has been loaned out by our last two managers,despite him already impressing a lower level with crewe,hopefully he`ll come back here and fit in like pratt has

I don't find it weird at all.

He is already ahead of where Lenihan, Wharton and Carter were at the same age.

He just wasnt ready for Championship football when we signed him.

14 hours ago, KentExile said:

Central midfielder needed, but a back up (and eventual replacement due to penny pinching) for Tronstad is what is required

Devlin from Hearts would be my choice, outnof contract in the summer although with the way they are going I dont imagine we would be able to prise him away at the minute!

[islander200]

10 hours ago, M_B said:

He has according to Andy Bayes on radio Lancs the other night. 

Who was most likely just repeating what the club(Gestede) have been saying.

I can't find it now but I listened to a podcast with Sonny last season and he said he was happy here but the club hadn't started talks on a new deal.

Il be very surprised if he ends up back in Norway

[K-Hod]

11 hours ago, neophox said:

We need to sign a striker that's for sure... defensively we are quite good and have a feeling O'Riordan will be a superb Defender for us.

Can’t be that good defensively, if we’re 20th…

[BankEnd Rover]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Obviously

 

 

As always, decisions made for financial rather than footballing reasons.  He has shown he is a better option than either Ribeiro or De Neve.  But his wage is the higher of those 3, so he is the one who is to be sold off.

Still have no idea why Powell has not been tried at least off the bench, as he already looks at least the second best option for left wing back, and has potential to be our first choice there for years

Disgusting choice to let Pickering leave but no way surprising. I can't believe people can stay calm when seeing reports such as this. 

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Maybe 1 would be enough. But you keep saying thats enough in terms of numbers in a list. Is there enough quality in those options? I would suggest not but we clearly have different standards on quality needed.

Don't this crap/bollocks about standards again. Its just dimmish your point. Miller was very good against Millwall but in some games he hasn't but I think he has been steady enough signing. McLoughlin again has been similar but he look comfortable on Saturday. Look better when Pratt or Wharton is next to him. Pratt has been good since coming in the team, yes granted a few nervous moments but nothing to be worry again. Then add Wharton who I rated and O'Riordan who can fit in on the right side of back 3 and allow Miller if we want to play right wing back. We have options. Then bring in another centre back and I think that's more enough. Add to Litherland who was very good on Saturday and impressed me then add Atcheson also

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive listed loads of players that I would happily ship out. I named 6 players currently registered that are of no use to us. We IMO need 2 centre backs, a right wing back and 2 strikers minimum, so in theory, we wouldnt need to deregister Carter if the window went as planned. But if it came to it, then yes, deregister him because hes no use if he cant even get through a week of training. You say potentially sell him, who on earth is buying him with that injury record? Wharton is a bit different, he at least at times can sustain himself for a run of games so I would certainly register him.

I think we deffo need 1 striker and 1 centre back with another right wing back coming. Get rid of Gueye, Possible sent TGH back, Move De Neve and Ribeiro on. Then add Tyjon cos he hasn't committed his future here. 

On Carter, so you would de-register but still pay his wages, how is that even sensible or make any logically sense? I would look to move him on whether we look at coming to agreement to end his contract before the window ends. He is too injury prone to receive a fee. 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Why are you happy to write off De Neve 6 months in but not Tavares or Henriksson? 

De Neve, I don't think he got what we need for that left wing role as he has cost us points and I would look to bring through Powell as a back player to Pickering and Hedges

I still think there is something about Henriksson to work with, so lets see. On Tavares, I have been very clear on here, I don't really know what type of midfielder he is yet and if we do sent TGH back then I would keep him. Is Tavares been ready for the Tronstad role by Ismael? I don't know but I don't see him as Tronstad type player. 

[Comfortably numb]

20 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Disgusting choice to let Pickering leave but no way surprising. I can't believe people can stay calm when seeing reports such as this. 

Let's be honest, neither Ribeiro nor Pickering are lwb's they haven't the pace or physical attributes to play the position.

Hedges is probably the same as well but is the best option of the three at the moment, although I agree that Powell should be challenging that position soon.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a lwb come in the window as it looks like Pickering and Hedges could soon be leaving (if Hedges doesn't agree a new contract).

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If we only sign one player it has to be a striker. Both Ohashi and Gudjohnsen are doing ok and are looking like a real partnership. Ohashi does all the running for both of them and Gudjohnsen puts away the scraps. The problem is if one of them gets injured we’ve nobody else to replace either of them as a starting player.  We need a back up striker.

Edited 7 minutes ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If we only sign one player it has to be a striker. Both Ohashi and Gudjohnsen are doing ok and are looking like a real partnership. Ohashi does all the running for both of them and Gudjohnsen puts away the scraps. The problem is if one of them gets injured we’ve nobody else to replace either of them as a starting player.  We need a back striker.

I'd argue 2 strikers, one to cover each of their roles, as Rovers either cant or wont spend the money that kit would cost to buy an all rounder who can do both roles.

Can see them going for a hard working experienced striker as a cheap buy (Harris from Oxford is out of contract at the end of the season), and a younger player to be a poacher.

Don't think either will be a starter, but would hopefully mean that we do not run Ohashi & Gudjohnsen into the ground

 

Edited 13 minutes ago by KentExile

[MarkBRFC]

Looking a bit further ahead do we think Edmondson could be promoted in the summer as a midfield option? Similar to how Montgomery and Pratt have come from that level into the side this season.

I'm not far from Macclesfield and there's a couple of lads at my work who follow them home and away and say what a good player he is at that level. Wondering if he can be groomed into the Tronstad role, but would obviously want someone else in too.

 

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

I'd argue 2 strikers, one to cover each of their roles, as Rovers either cant or wont spend the money that kit would cost to buy an all rounder who can do both roles

 

As said previously I do think Henriksson will take one of them roles, and one striker will be signed to replace Gueye.

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

Looking a bit further ahead do we think Edmondson could be promoted in the summer as a midfield option? Similar to how Montgomery and Pratt have come from that level into the side this season.

I'm not far from Macclesfield and there's a couple of lads at my work who follow them home and away and say what a good player he is at that level. Wondering if he can be groomed into the Tronstad role, but would obviously want someone else in too.

 

yep, imagine he will be backup/competition to Tronstads replacement next season

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, KentExile said:

I'd argue 2 strikers, one to cover each of their roles, as Rovers either cant or wont spend the money that kit would cost to buy an all rounder who can do both roles.

Can see them going for a hard working experienced striker as a cheap buy (Harris from Oxford is out of contract at the end of the season), and a younger player to be a poacher.

Don't think either will be a starter, but would hopefully mean that we do not run Ohashi & Gudjohnsen into the ground

 

Two new strikers ? In an ideal world yes, but we’re talking Venkies Rovers here. I’d be happy with one. But not a loan like that waster we signed last season who’s name I’ve already forgotten.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

yep, imagine he will be backup/competition to Tronstads replacement next season

 

I’d have to see the lad play before I comment further but defensive midfield players like Tronstad are born and not made. You need to have the right mentality to play that role.