v Queens Park Rangers (h) - 26/11/25, 19:45 k/o

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

I feel the key is to get Pasha out. He's been the constant running the show for 15 years.

If he's gone they need to find a replacement. They won't trust employing competent people in a proper process so they might think "Sack it, lets get shut now".

He's a stubborn, shadowy swine but for 14 years he's had an easy ride externally. 

 

Agree. Whilst he remains and they clearly trust him as long as he's collecting his pay packet and playing god at Ewood whilst filtering back to India that all is well they'll probably just leave it and trust that things keep on ticking over.

If he goes as you say they'll never bring in competent empowered people to run it. So either they have to plant another stooge to do his job or cut it off even more.

I don't read anything into Pasha suggesting we might be for sale at the right price. I doubt he knows any more about the legal owners' intentions than anyone else. I reckon he is just told every summer to run it within certain budgets and that's that.

I think during / after COVID the money people took control as opposed to the gruesome four who are in ultimate control. Now it is just a cost management exercise. To what end nobody really knows.

Clearly the tab previously was causing them some problems, requiring drastic quasi-administration level cutbacks and reductions.

So perhaps when the tab starts creeping back up again and they've no sales to plug it with we might see some action.

At the moment they seem content to manage as a lower cost base, but if we remain in this league they won't be able to sustain it.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Attendance anyone?

[Mike E]

13 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I've also seen us fold countless times under the weight of expectation of playing in front of a bigger than normal home crowd over the years. 

I dont think it should make any difference either way. They shouldn't bottle it in front of a big crowd and they shouldnt be demotivated by playing in front of smaller crowds.

At the very least if it does happen, hold your hands up after a poor performance and don't use it as an excuse!

We obviously dont agree on this and that's fine. No point going back and forward all night.

Nevermind bottling it, we’re a club with a history of pushing the big boys around when they come into our yard. We’re 20 years removed from doing the double over Manchester fucking United.

Now we cower at the likes of Birmingham and Swansea when they come here.

[rigger]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I think that's harsh. I would never criticise anyone for exercising their freedom of choice and continuing to support the Club that was around for 135 years before Venky's and their assorted stooges turned up.

Whatever happens, it's not their fault. They deserve much much better.

I did not criticize, what I said was that I didn't feel sorry for the people who bought season tickets. Everyone has the right to make their own choices. They don't deserve either criticism or plaudits for making their own decisions.

[RevidgeBlue]

22 minutes ago, KidderStreetNoise said:

But actively cheer it's death on from your seat

Again, I dont think that's fair.

A core group will always go no matter what - whether it's 3k or 8k - and I applaud them for their loyalty and dedication. I mean 2k even bought tickets for a season they couldnt attend and even after Waggott put prices up.!

Arguably however, having a smallish number of fans in attendance who've been brow beaten into submission by watching absolute shite over a period of years and knowing that at the end of the day there's no ambition within the Club for things to improve is the worst possible situation.

Hypothetically a complete boycott might have a better chance of shifting the owners and their acolytes as might a stadium packed to the rafters every week with 30 thousand people screaming non stop dogs abuse at the 2 stooges and displaying anti Venky's messages.

For the present however it's 100% for the players to entertain the fans and give them something to shout about, not the other way round. The players are being paid very handsomely to do a job and the fans are paying good money to watch them. 

At the moment they can't even be bothered putting in any effort in the first half of games at Ewood and any improvement generally only comes in the second half or late on in the game when trying to retrieve the situation and salvage a result.

At least, regardless of ability, come out on the front foot and give the fans a bit of something to get their teeth into.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

44 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

At the moment they can't even be bothered putting in any effort in the first half of games at Ewood and any improvement generally only comes in the second half or late on in the game when trying to retrieve the situation and salvage a result.

At least, regardless of ability, come out on the front foot and give the fans a bit of something to get their teeth into.

 

Just to reinforce the above, I checked and we've only been in front in ONE out of 8 games at Ewood this season at HT. (Sheff Utd. which we went on to lose 3-1)

The one game we won (Southampton) we were behind until the 76th minute.

Put another way we've only been ahead for 74 of the 720 minutes (plus ET) of League Football at Ewood Park this season. 40 of those were in one game (Birmingham) which we contrived to lose right at the end anyway.

How on earth is the atmosphere meant to be rocking, or even vaguely positive, under those circumstances?

 

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

13,571 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

13,571 

Looked like there were about 6k on on TV.

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11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Looked like there were about 6k on on TV.

Plenty of half rows empty on jw upper

[Tomphil2]

10 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

13,571 

So they are saying aside from QPR's merry band 4 k bought tickets ?

There needs to be some serious questions asked now about what they are fabricating down there.

The last crowd almost identical to that in the home sections was about 11k ish i think.

The JW holds what 9.5k ?  Could easily group everybody in the ground in there last night including the away fans.

The actual number of turnstile clicks in the 3 home stands must've been sub 9k.

[Tomphil2]

3 hours ago, rovers11 said:

Respectfully disagree again. Empty stadiums and silent protests are absolutely the way forward when you have foreign owners. Venky's don't care if people have banners in the ground or protests marches outside, they're in their ivory towers in India - and the club just dismiss it as the minority anyway. However, they can't dismiss an empty stadium and dwindling match day income as just a minority. That hits Venky's in the pocket (with no assets left to sell to cover those losses), which is the only thing they care about. 

Venky's want the club to be self-sufficient and that's why we get rid of our high earners and buy 'assets' that can be sold for a profit (although they'll be in for a surprise if they think they can make a profit on the players signed in the summer).

Normally i'd agree but my point here is it looks like the finance guy V's stuck on the board quite recently is just here to run the lowest budget model possible for them. 

Whilst keep us just above the admin line and second or thirdly keeping us in this league in order to maximise future player sale prices.

I genuinely think the dwindling crowds will just be seen as - or should i say passed off as - a combination of collateral damage from cost of living crisis,fan favs wanting out, weather and oh just Rovers typical support (they used to get 7k) etc.

In short anything and everything they can blame except the main drivers of it.

So to counter this prices go up, more silly cat A games like Wrexham and come Jan he'll look to shave more thousands per week off the wage bill.

Because that's his job nothing else, a reactionary to the balance sheet not the football. The lack of footfall just justifies his position imo and that's what i'm trying to get across.

These loons will run the club into the ground in front of 5k if that's what it becomes.

[K-Hod]

It’s tickets sold, t’was ever thus.

We know that isn’t the real number of bums on seats.

I’ve been counted for every Tuesday night home match, but I haven’t attended one….

[Mattyblue]

No chance the ‘sold’ tickets were 13,500, so 4,000+ bought walk ons? For a red button midweek in November? That’s considerably more than any Saturday game this season (bar Derby).

Edited 3 hours ago by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

25 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

It’s tickets sold, t’was ever thus.

We know that isn’t the real number of bums on seats.

I’ve been counted for every Tuesday night home match, but I haven’t attended one….

There’s four arses that never turn up.

 

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

Hypothetically a complete boycott might have a better chance of shifting the owners and their acolytes as might a stadium packed to the rafters every week with 30 thousand people screaming non stop dogs abuse at the 2 stooges and displaying anti Venky's messages.

 

 

They’ve already got this season’s season ticket money - a boycott of next season’s season tickets would definitely make waves. That is the only metric that seems to resonate with Suhail. 

[onlyonejackwalker]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'd say so yes.

They've gone from a position of "We will never ever sell this Club" not that long ago to Suhail conceding that Clubs are always up for sale at the right price.

What price would they ask for?

What price would be fair?

Ashley has just had a £ 20 million bid for Wednesday turned down.

There is an argument to state that the club is largely worthless. But normal rules dont seem to apply to football.

Edited 2 hours ago by onlyonejackwalker
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[Tomphil2]

They don't look at club value they seem to look at their company balance sheet where it's worth 150 million to them.

And of course the fact that one promotion however fanciful it might seem wipes that out and staying in the Prem would deliver a profit.

Fantasy stuff obviously but they probably are fantasists.

Edited 2 hours ago by Tomphil2

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

They don't look at club value they seem to look at their company balance sheet where it's worth 150 million to them.

And of course the fact that one promotion however fanciful it might seem wipes that out and staying in the Prem would deliver a profit.

Fantasy stuff obviously but they probably are fantasists.

They see the value of their ‘investment’ (£220 million at the last count) and the value of the club as the same thing.

This, as you allude to, is absolute nonsense.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

22 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

What price would they ask for?

What price would be fair?

Ashley has just had a £ 20 million bid for Wednesday turned down.

There is an argument to state that the club is largely worthless. But normal rules dont seem to apply to football.

No idea.

They paid £23m for it didn't they? (and assumed  the £15m bank overdraft) so with the debt waived Id assume they'd want more than that.

The going rate for Championship Clubs seems to be £40 - £50m these days with the possibility of promotion to the Prem, however remote.

[JCRovers]

QPR deserved the win, no question about that. They played with a higher tempo, were able to string a few passes together and had an attacking midfield trio (Chair, Dembele, Saito) who could carry the ball forward and cause problems. We looked devoid of any ideas other than utilising Alebiosu's pace on the right hand side to break through lines and put crosses into the box.

Some other takeaways from our 'gameplan':

- Doesn't work playing with two strikers at the moment. Ismael wants to be more direct but it comes at the expense of giving up control in midfield. Morishita likes to drift to the right hand side but Hedges becomes isolated on the left once first line of press from Ohashi and Gudjohnsen is played through. 

- We barely got any momentum throughout the whole game. A lot of clearances, long balls, misplaced passes and low tempo whenever in possession. Miller was particularly wasteful.

Transfer worries:

- New signings De Neve and Morishita lacks game intelligence. De Neve missed to pick up Smyth twice inside the box, one led to the winning goal and the other resulted in an effort that hit the post. Morishita keeps blocking Alebiosu's path forward when in possession. 

- Gudjohnsen missed two good chances to score. Weak in the challenges otherwise, need to 'bulk up' and add a few more pounds of muscle in the gym.

- Tavares is now apparently behind both Montgomery and Forshaw in the pecking order. Money wasted if he doesn't improve.

- Miller needs to improve his technique and passing game.

- Our 'spine' (goalkeeper, central defence, central midfield) is weak at the moment. Small part of it can be excused due to injuries but failed recruitment strategy in the transfer market is the main culprit here.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Historically a business was valued at 3.5x its yearly profits.

That grew in some instances to 6x its profits post covid.

We lose circa 20 million per year.

Whatever you pay, add 400k a week on immediately if buying the Rovers.

The decent thing would be to release the club at no charge to someone willing to fund the debt and invest.

 

[Tomphil2]

Sell it for a quid and add in a £1 million a year payment for 150 years !!

Might shift it and it's the only way that company will ever see its money again.

[Crimpshrine]

57 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

They see the value of their ‘investment’ (£220 million at the last count) and the value of the club as the same thing.

This, as you allude to, is absolute nonsense.

 

I don't believe they are stupid enough to think they are adding value by keeping hold of the club.  They are simply paying running costs which can never been seen as an investment. The £220 million has gone and they know that.

Despite their great wealth, there will be a point at which they say enough is enough. Boycotting matches/season tickets to reduce income will make them sit up and take notice. 

[wilsdenrover]

23 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

I don't believe they are stupid enough to think they are adding value by keeping hold of the club.  They are simply paying running costs which can never been seen as an investment. The £220 million has gone and they know that.

Despite their great wealth, there will be a point at which they say enough is enough. Boycotting matches/season tickets to reduce income will make them sit up and take notice. 

The money they’ve turned into shares and the money they’ve lent are both seen as investments of the holding company.

I believe they are stupid enough to conflate this with the value of the club.