How long until the end of Venkys?

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Talking gibberish. Lost revenue from PL TV rights has been enormous

If we had simply maintained our position from the day Venkys bought us until now we would have an additional 460m land in the bank. That’s a matter of fact

That's my point but that's hasn't affect the owners decisions maker. 

The Walker Family could held on until the TV rights and used that money 

[Dreams of 1995]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's my point but that's hasn't affect the owners decisions maker. 

The Walker Family could held on until the TV rights and used that money 

Of course it has impacted them

It has meant half a billion less revenue, which has meant a decreased on pitch product and over a decade of mismanagement, culminating in some very embarrassing moments for Rovers

During that time, a certain few people have continued to pocket 6 figure yearly salaries. It pays well to manage a decline

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Of course it has impacted them

It has meant half a billion less revenue, which has meant a decreased on pitch product and over a decade of mismanagement, culminating in some very embarrassing moments for Rovers

During that time, a certain few people have continued to pocket 6 figure yearly salaries. It pays well to manage a decline

Well it hasn't impact them enough to sell the club has it. That's my point

[philipl]

47 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's my point but that's hasn't affect the owners decisions maker. 

The Walker Family could held on until the TV rights and used that money 

The Walker Family was at war with each and against their advisors in the High Court. Rovers were just a cash absorbing chattel to the family members. Some Trustees. John Williams and Tom Finn were absolute heroes in those sad circumstances but any concept of strategic thinking and planning was totally binned in those black days.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, philipl said:

The Walker Family was at war with each and against their advisors in the High Court. Rovers were just a cash absorbing chattel to the family members. Some Trustees. John Williams and Tom Finn were absolute heroes in those sad circumstances but any concept of strategic thinking and planning was totally binned in those black days.

interesting. Didn't know they were at war with each other and against their advisors 

[philipl]

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=7fed978f-fcf3-4a99-b0c1-a4f4cd9f44c8

That was the culmination of about 8 years of fighting. A former trustee directly responsible for Rovers also brought and won a case against the Trust over non-payment of fees.

 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

why would it embarrass them? Yesterday the Hospitality was sold out and the more walk on fans came to the game. Shame it was such a poor performance 

 

Oh well hospitality sold out......that makes everything ok then.

If they carry on that will be the only part of the ground opening then.

 

How many of those walk ons were there to see Disney team? How many walk ons will be there on Sunday? The 10 season ticket holders I go with, there are 3 actually committed to going as the other 7 yesterday was the final straw. 

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Oh well hospitality sold out......that makes everything ok then.

If they carry on that will be the only part of the ground opening then.

 

How many of those walk ons were there to see Disney team? How many walk ons will be there on Sunday? The 10 season ticket holders I go with, there are 3 actually committed to going as the other 7 yesterday was the final straw. 

Well me and the 2 I go with will be there on Sunday and I'm taking my parents to the game, so hopefully its a win for them. 

[Dreams of 1995]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well it hasn't impact them enough to sell the club has it. That's my point

Evidently not. But what’s the overall point you’re making - that everything is futile and nobody should try?

If that’s your angle, then it’s a sad angle. It is a view of defeatism. Resigning yourself to the thought that Venkys will never be impacted enough to sell must be tough. You have seen first hand what 15 years has done to Rovers. Now imagine another 15. It is not outside of the realms of possibility that Rovers cease to be a Championship club at that point. We may be in this position, but in League 1. The general trajectory of BRFC tells you that is where we are heading 

[wilsdenrover]

49 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Evidently not. But what’s the overall point you’re making - that everything is futile and nobody should try?

If that’s your angle, then it’s a sad angle. It is a view of defeatism. Resigning yourself to the thought that Venkys will never be impacted enough to sell must be tough. You have seen first hand what 15 years has done to Rovers. Now imagine another 15. It is not outside of the realms of possibility that Rovers cease to be a Championship club at that point. We may be in this position, but in League 1. The general trajectory of BRFC tells you that is where we are heading 

I think 15 more years of them and we will be far lower than League 1.

[Leonard Venkhater]

58 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Evidently not. But what’s the overall point you’re making - that everything is futile and nobody should try?

If that’s your angle, then it’s a sad angle. It is a view of defeatism. Resigning yourself to the thought that Venkys will never be impacted enough to sell must be tough. You have seen first hand what 15 years has done to Rovers. Now imagine another 15. It is not outside of the realms of possibility that Rovers cease to be a Championship club at that point. We may be in this position, but in League 1. The general trajectory of BRFC tells you that is where we are heading 

Interesting...

This issue comes up a lot in our house. How have Venky's got away without a complete revolt in the fanbase?

After the initial bout of destruction, I think the slow, lingering glacial pace of the downgrading is a key factor here...

Also, there is a problematic (to me)reaction in a proportion of the remaining fanbase, which combines defeatism, fatalism, Stockholm syndrome...and ingrained denial.

[dallydally]

Years I'm afraid. They have no thought or desire to leave. Remember. Indian people are proud and to admit you made a mistake just doesn't happen 

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21 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think 15 more years of them and we will be far lower than League 1.

The demise will get faster and faster

[Athlete]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well me and the 2 I go with will be there on Sunday and I'm taking my parents to the game, so hopefully its a win for them. 

Stop trying to spin anything into a positive

[Leonard Venkhater]

10 minutes ago, dallydally said:

Years I'm afraid. They have no thought or desire to leave. Remember. Indian people are proud and to admit you made a mistake just doesn't happen 

All 1.5 billion of them haha

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Interesting...

This issue comes up a lot in our house. How have Venky's got away without a complete revolt in the fanbase?

After the initial bout of destruction, I think the slow, lingering glacial pace of the downgrading is a key factor here...

Also, there is a problematic (to me)reaction in a proportion of the remaining fanbase, which combines defeatism, fatalism, Stockholm syndrome...and ingrained denial.

I can only speak for myself but I have over the last 10 years especially distanced myself from the club incrementally.

From being a Season ticket holder (whilst living in London I would add…), plus c.10 away games per season & about £250 club shop spend each year; is now about 4 home games, 3 or 4 away games & zero spend in club shop. 

In that time a whole new generation of Rovers support has emerged that knows nothing other than the Venky’s, so the proportion of older fans who know what is possible & is angry/frustrated is dwindling each season.

I now fear when reading other sites that I am in the minority in wanting change but TBH I’m now so weary with it, I wont do anything beyond rant on podcasts & radio programmes when given a chance. 

I fear I am numb to it as a coping strategy. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

You echo the sentiments of many Ian.Sorry to keep making the same point but this is a Club I dont recognise in its present state anymore.Cold and distant,Its almost lost its connection with the fanbase.

• I hate the Owners.

• Can't stand the Charlatans running the Club at Ewood.

• Have no like for this Manager and feel no empathy with any of these awful Players in our Shirt.

 

The full Monty,what a position to be in,its really that bad...will the last one out turn the Ewood lights off please.

Edited Friday at 19:05 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Crimpshrine]

37 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

I can only speak for myself but I have over the last 10 years especially distanced myself from the club incrementally.

From being a Season ticket holder (whilst living in London I would add…), plus c.10 away games per season & about £250 club shop spend each year; is now about 4 home games, 3 or 4 away games & zero spend in club shop. 

In that time a whole new generation of Rovers support has emerged that knows nothing other than the Venky’s, so the proportion of older fans who know what is possible & is angry/frustrated is dwindling each season.

I now fear when reading other sites that I am in the minority in wanting change but TBH I’m now so weary with it, I wont do anything beyond rant on podcasts & radio programmes when given a chance. 

I fear I am numb to it as a coping strategy. 

It's called Venky fatigue. 

Nothing a good protest and change of ownership won't fix

[M_B]

3 hours ago, dallydally said:

Years I'm afraid. They have no thought or desire to leave. Remember. Indian people are proud and to admit you made a mistake just doesn't happen 

In a nutshell. 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

19 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well me and the 2 I go with will be there on Sunday and I'm taking my parents to the game, so hopefully its a win for them. 

Hopefully but I wouldnt be surprised if we have a number on lower than the Millwall game. 

I also wager that the corporate isn't sold out either.

[Salgados Hair]

Pawns don't promote to Kings you complete nitwits.. 😏

[Leonard Venkhater]

17 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

I can only speak for myself but I have over the last 10 years especially distanced myself from the club incrementally.

From being a Season ticket holder (whilst living in London I would add…), plus c.10 away games per season & about £250 club shop spend each year; is now about 4 home games, 3 or 4 away games & zero spend in club shop. 

In that time a whole new generation of Rovers support has emerged that knows nothing other than the Venky’s, so the proportion of older fans who know what is possible & is angry/frustrated is dwindling each season.

I now fear when reading other sites that I am in the minority in wanting change but TBH I’m now so weary with it, I wont do anything beyond rant on podcasts & radio programmes when given a chance. 

I fear I am numb to it as a coping strategy. 

Oh , how I relate to this. Not so different to my own experience.

I guess I was referring to the group that criticise and undermine any critique of this awful ownership.

15 years of attrition is a long time and I know it has ground me down to powerless keyboard crap and generally, well…screaming in space .

[MarkBRFC]

20 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Evidently not. But what’s the overall point you’re making - that everything is futile and nobody should try?

If that’s your angle, then it’s a sad angle. It is a view of defeatism. Resigning yourself to the thought that Venkys will never be impacted enough to sell must be tough. You have seen first hand what 15 years has done to Rovers. Now imagine another 15. It is not outside of the realms of possibility that Rovers cease to be a Championship club at that point. We may be in this position, but in League 1. The general trajectory of BRFC tells you that is where we are heading 

Chaddy won't give a jot about any of that.

Aslong as there is a team playing in blue and white at Ewood every couple of weeks he is happy, and that same sentiment goes for quite a few of our regular match goers too.

[Old Codger]

Question is, might the ownership be classed as thieves, or robbers in the context of what THEY HAVE DONE to Rovers?

"A thief is a general term for someone who steals property, while a robber is a specific type of thief who uses force, intimidation, or threat of violence directly against a person to take something, making robbery a more serious, violent crime than simple theft (like shoplifting or pickpocketing). All robbers are thieves, but not all thieves are robbers, as a thief might steal secretly without confrontation (e.g., a burglar or shoplifter or a corporate asset stripper)."

For context, at this point 15 years in to their tenure, I don't think anyone can argue that the club we used to know hasn't been stolen from the fans and supporters across the piece.

Thieves and robbers used to end up rotting on gibbets at public cross roads. Just saying.

 

[chaddyrovers]

21 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Evidently not. But what’s the overall point you’re making - that everything is futile and nobody should try?

If that’s your angle, then it’s a sad angle. It is a view of defeatism. Resigning yourself to the thought that Venkys will never be impacted enough to sell must be tough. You have seen first hand what 15 years has done to Rovers. Now imagine another 15. It is not outside of the realms of possibility that Rovers cease to be a Championship club at that point. We may be in this position, but in League 1. The general trajectory of BRFC tells you that is where we are heading 

Like I said from when this boycott was announced, Its personal choice/decisions whether they still or attend. Each decision should be respect where they will attend or boycott. I posted my opinioin and why I will be attending