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  1. I certainly don't claim to be 'ITK' at all but shortly after the final whistle yesterday I received a text from someone extremely close to the club - not the playing or coaching side - who doesn't normally gossip (he can't afford to, it would cost him his job) who, unsolicited, told me that Waggott had been instructed to act. All this talk of being sacked today and announced at 3pm didn't come from me, I didn't hear any specifics at all. However, I am very confident that something is happening in relation to the manager, but people posting "Its not happening is it?" every 5 minutes on here doesn't help alleviate the general twitchiness that fans are feeling just now. Was it wrong of me to share that info? Maybe. But that's partly what I thought these message boards were designed for.
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  2. Hi all, You probably won’t remember me but I was the talk of some inside info at times in the past, all legitimate, but in my latter posting days I became very aggressive. I apologise for my attitude. Turns out I was on the verge of alcoholism, and i have been through a rough few months since, well over 12 months now, it probably couldn’t have happened at a worse time. My life is still very much in the balance and I struggle daily, but I’m learning to deal better with things. Therefore if there is any posters out there who are past (well I say past, you’re never past with alcoholism) or present strugglers get in touch, I would appreciate it as much as you. I am so happy to be back on here and talk about rovers.
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  3. Nothing but pride for those 10 lads in that second half. Not often I clap in the living room at the final whistle. Have that Brentford. And I’ll even say it: well done Mowbray. Capitalised on a stupid, arrogant double tactical substitution by Frank, with both of Tony’s subs combining to get that priceless goal. COYB!
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  4. The old adage that a fish rots from the head just rings so true with my beloved Rovers. I can only read with pure and absolute bemusement the various defences put up for the clubs’ owners. The whole club has been reduced and hollowed out to a completely pathetic, soulless, joyless tinpot charade. They have brutally depth charged the proud legacy of Jack Walker, so much so that chancers and carpet-baggers think they can exploit one of its preeminent components in the shape of Brockhall and the academy that has produced numerous players for the first team. Each one indeed a tribute to the foresight and endeavour of the great man himself. You know this lot should be frogmarched before a panel of fans and forced to answer many an uncomfortable question. Instead we have fans mounting pitiful defences for a pitiful regime. The notion that any discerning Rovers fan should feel even a scintilla of gratitude towards this wretched family is utterly demeaning, degrading, debasing and disparaging to the club - and is tantamount to defending an absent parent who pays maintenance for their children, but has absolutely no profound effect on their upbringing. Takeovers of football clubs by allegedly wealthy families are meant to generate buzz, excitement, pride. Here we are after a decade plus, and £282 million, exiting the brewery tour sober. It’s just a dire disheartening mess that never displays any appreciable sign of improvement. The Rao’s are to football ownership what wood-rot is to Pinocchio and the sooner this nausea is rung from the clubs’ brow - and consigned to the past - the better for Blackburn Rovers Football Club
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  5. Aye, today is the end of an era. Josh, Ian, Stu and co have effectively been running the site for many years now, Ste and I long since vanished into the shadows and have had almost no input bar paying the odd bill. but today is the biggest and first publicly visible step towards it all being officially owned and managed by the new team. I first got involved with BRFCS in 1998 and I think Ste and I formally took control (with Paul and Don) around 2001, in our time we did some amazing things (the events around the Genclerbirligi away game in Turkey being my personal highlight), we've streamed live from Ewood, had a dinner hosted by Tash McDermott with Simon Garner as a speaker, we're doing Podcasts a decade before they became commonplace, hosted Poker Tournaments, done site specific merch, hosted the Grooby Annual Awards Ceremonies, had a recognised rep on the clubs Fans Forum, had great projects like FLB & CN174s history, CN174s Jack Walker Tribute, Den's epic All Time Starting 11 and kept "raising the coffin" alive, to name but a few. We've done a lot, and had so much help doing it, but so much fun along the way. But most of all I made friends, lots of friends. Trying to research the pre-Grooby era of the site for Josh I've been re-reading thread after thread, reading name after name of people I now consider real life friends that I met through the site, seeing the names hundreds of people who would come up to us at games and say Hi and Thank You. Whilst it's easy to relive the sites former glories, over the last decade or so, Josh and his team have managed to steer the site through some of the toughest times for internet sites in general and in all that he's stayed true to our vision that the site remains a "free for everyone" community resource with a primary aim of it's own long term survival. Hopefully through me being tight with the purse strings, I've taught he him how to do so much with so little. I'm also proud that whilst the site it now under a new company, Ste and I are in the fortunate position to give them a chunk of starting capital. A world apart from when we took over when the lucrative advertising deal had just collapsed, there was nothing in the bank, we faced a massive hosting bill and had to walk around the stands at games asking for donations to keep the site alive! It's not all been good times, but we survived people inside and outside the club attempting to destroy us, we outlasted them all! I'll always be proud of that. It's fair to say in recent years I fell out of love, with BRFCS, with Rovers, with football in general and I don't know if it's correlation or causation that that love is starting to return at the very time the millstone of BRFCS is being lifted. Whichever, it feels great and I'm confident we've leaving the site in very capable hands. Finally a massive Thank You to everyone who has contributed in all way, big or small, to keeping the site running the last 20+ years (25+ including the Grooby era), I'm not going to attempt to name you because I'll only miss people who made a significant contribution, but you are ALL heroes! Thank You!
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  6. It's reassuring to know we still have fans who care and put some pressure on Waggott and Co in various ways. Even a post on this message board will have helped so nobody should underestimate their involvement. Special appreciation to Revidgeblue for his forensic work in putting the excellent letter together. I also know others have been active in the background so thanks to you also. Fans 1 - Coventrio 0
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  8. We were promised a big name signing and here he is.
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  9. With respect, you are talking absolute rubbish on this point and imo being extremely disrespectful to Jack Walker. I hope my post doesn't send you scurrying off to the moderators to complain as I would prefer not to suffer a ban and I'm not surprised you riled many people with your comments yesterday. No-one expects the facilities left by Jack to remain untouched for 100 years or more in his honour or memory. No-one expects the Jack Walker "Legacy" to mean that future owners should be hamstrung or restricted in their running of the Club. The Jack Walker "Legacy" is a notional standard to aspire to which if met would be for the protection of the Club not it's detriment. When Brockhall was built, the limited value of Ewood Park as a site meant the main danger was always a subsequent owner flogging the the training complex. That's precisely why the covenant protecting the use of the land was introduced. No-one but no-one would be complaining if this was a genuine upgrading of the training facilities. But it's not, it's a substantial downsizing of the complex in an attempt to generate a short term cash injection which will be to the long term detriment of the footballing facilities at the Club. And once this asset is gone it's gone those facilities can never be replaced. That is why people are up in arms about the Jack Walker "Legacy" about which you are so dismissive not being respected. This scheme is for the short term gain of either the current owners (which admittedly would be their prerogative were it not for the legal covenant) or the Club employees who appear to have been involved in some sort of similar scheme at Coventry, or both. It certainly isn't imo in the long term interests of the football club. Ultimately that's the litmus test for deciding whether something respects the Jack Walker legacy or not. It's not about making silly statements like you can't touch buildings for hundreds of ideas as it might dishonour Jack. The idea though is that if you do touch them you make them better! If you replace it with something not as good then that obviously is an insult to his memory and what he did for the Club.
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  10. Joe, I mean this will all due respect, but Jack’s legacy isn’t Rovers winning the league. I would assume you’re too young to really remember what Jack did? Jacks legacy is putting Blackburn on the map. It’s giving the fans pride in the club. It’s the commentators on TV saying “the most successful town football club in the world”. It’s giving local kids the opportunity to train at a superb academy and maybe one day, represent their town. They don’t necessarily need to be stars at Blackburn Rovers. Its about the soccer schools for local kids. The disability groups for local people. The women’s team, who are treated just like the men’s. It’s creating jobs and opportunities for local people - whether that be at the academy on reception, or the chippy on Bolton Road which makes a fortune on match day. Jack’s legacy on the pitch is about challenging the big boys, creating a mentality of managers, coaches and players proud to represent Blackburn and it’s people. Blackburn Rovers will never be Manchester United - but Jack’s motto was “think big” and there’s absolutely nothing to say, for 90 minutes, 11 men representing the town of Blackburn cannot defeat 11 men playing for Manchester United. Jack’s legacy is for the town, its bigger than the football club.
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  11. Thanks Stuart - just to reiterate - hours of work behind the scenes here from Stuart & Andy to keep this train on the tracks. A round of virtual applause ??????
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  12. That article makes my blood boil. Mowbray logic: "We can't offer new contracts to Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell when others in the world are being Furloughed, so their contracts will have to run down." However, what you actually did Tony was give bonus 6 week contacts to Smallwood, Samuel, Graham, Downing, Hart etc in the middle of Covid 2020. Probably costing £150,000. (Which is rumoured to be 1 whole year of Nyambe's salary) Reality: You could have offered Nyambe, Lenihan and Rothwell a combined extra £20k a week for 2 year extensions this summer (£1m a year added to the wages), but instead you're going to let £15m* worth of players leave for free. What a fucking prick than man is! I'd love to fucking know how much money Downing, Douglas, Pears, Braithwaite and Trybull cost us (per week) last season. You can bet your testicles it was more than £20kpw. Oh no, can't possibly offer our captain, creative midfielder and stalwart RB new contracts... I've got Ex Boro mates to help get paid and 5 unproven EPL kids i must sign for 40 games with that money+ so I can be adored in Liverpool and Manchester. GET HIM OUT.
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  13. Nope, my mother was an alcoholic that died at the age of 46. Her vice was white wine and beer/cider. My father left her, me (12) and my brother (10) and she turned to drink a couple years later. I would come home from school and she was passed out with bottles all around her. We spoke to all the off licenses and supermarkets in the area to ask them to stop serving her. Some did, but she was still able to get her hands on it somehow. It was the toughest time of my life. I lost all discipline as my father was not there and my mother was pissed 24/7. From doing well at school, I was now hanging around with the wrong crowd smoking weed and drinking myself at 14. My brother just stopped going to school all together and locked himself in his room all day. My dad didn't even have the balls to leave while I was there - I was on scout camp ffs, I came home to find my mother in pieces on the stairs. I went from scout to drug dealer within the space of a few years. I hit rock bottom at 18, arrested for an armed robbery - tried to rob a local Spar with a knife. At that point a friends mum forced me to get help and i was diagnosed with severe depression and put on anti-depressants (seroxat). Fortunately, with her help, the courts were sympathetic to my case due to the circumstances around my life at the time. I got a two-year suspended sentence and 200 hours community service. She even took me in to live with her and her family for about a year after. She was a godsend and I still speak to her today. Barbara, wonderful woman who volunteered to work for free for the Citizens Advice Bureau for most of her working life. She constantly tried to help my mother too, but there was no hope. She eventually sold the house and started renting somewhere we couldn't find her, until I got a call when i was 21 that she was in hospital - by the time me and my brother got there, she had passed away with liver disease. Barbara continued to help me through. I went to college to take a 2-year Btec in IT and I also self-studied to become an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer). Seriously, without her, I don't know where I would be today. I wouldn't have had the career I have, that's for sure - more likely I would have followed the downward path and ended in a similar situation to my mother. My brother turned out okay too. He moved in with a family member and got his life back on track as well. He is now an accountant and doing well. Sadly, my overwhelming memory of mother was her answer to a question I asked out of anger when trying to stop her from drinking. Smashing her bottle of white wine into the wall after coming home from school, I shouted "You love drinking more than you love me and Lee, don't you?" Her "Yes" broke me. Been a while since I have spoken about this - so apologies. Nice to get it out every now and again.
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  14. For me, after the play off dream disappeared post Christmas, the only thing I cared about was finishing above Preston. When we beat them 3-0 at their place we demonstrated how superior we should be to them...we then forged a good number of points ahead of them by Christmas. The comparison with PNE is the most apt in terms of Mowbray’s inadequacies. We have superior players (I wouldn’t swap many of their first teamers for ours), we have spent significantly more money and we are still a bigger name when it comes to attracting players. Regardless of these things, they have had a series of managers who have (mostly) got more out of them than the sum of their parts. Mowbray has done the opposite with us, even in league one where most weeks we toiled in beating clearly inferior opposition. Yes we have had injuries this season but by and large we have been able to field a team full of experience, potential and expense (Gallagher, Brereton etc). Whenever we achieve the illusion of a team ethic (PNE away) it is quickly removed by needless tinkering, players being sidelined for little reason and of course, the inexcusable playing of players out of position. These things must affect morale and prevent fluency and consistency of performance. We have seen glimpses of what we are capable of, we have a 26 goal top scorer and a very good goal difference...we rarely if ever get thrashed...but the basics don’t add up. Summer might bring a few decent arrivals, another draft of exciting prospects loaned from above but sadly, with Mowbray at the helm, Groundhog Day will be all we are served. Look at Barnsley, Luton even!!! How can such a limited squad finish above us? The answer is simple. Good management. Tactical awareness. Instilling confidence in players consistently. Our players match our cyclical team form...a few great performances followed by nothing (see Rothwell, Brereton, Holtby and even Armstrong). There is so much more I could rant about but I’m losing the will to care. Get him out and get him out now.
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  15. Be the easiest end of season meeting in Pune ever, ’So you said your target was top 6, did you hit it?’ ’Dunno, haven’t looked’.
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  16. First seaon back in the Championship after one season out. We need to follow the Sheff Utd model, we are 2 years behind Preston... I need 3 or 4 windows to build a squad to get out of this league... We need to do it like Sheff Utd, i need the summer defenders are coming.. We need to transition to possession if we want to get into the top spots. We need to follow the Swansea model and dominate the ball. We are 5 years behind Brentford we need to follow their model, even though iv'e sold them Raya for a few million and signing Gallagher with the proceeds. Him and Ben are our future. We need a new pitch we can'[t play our game on it. We need a new training ground to follow the Brentford model. The statistical approach like Barnsley might be the way to go here. We might be only be winning 1 in 15 but we are topping possession every week. We need to dominate possession and be like Swansea..... Just a small collection of his pearllers over the last few years, arse and elbow spring to mind. In a similar amount of time the likes of Dyche & Wilder set out a plan, used their budgets wisely. Stuck to a style and got promoted. Nee chance in hell of that with this mon.
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  17. First alarm bell that should be going off is the fact that the club have only acted AFTER the news has emerged through fans doing homework online and spotting the planning application. If this is such a brilliant, ambitious and sensible plan why weren't they shouting about it from the rooftops early doors? I'll be honest I feel physically sick about this. Not just at the thought of Jack Walker's legacy being dismembered before our very eyes despite still being lumbered with Venkys but also the possibility that there are other agendas in play here with the Coventry-Venus-Waggott connection. I may be a cynic but expecting me to believe there is no connection is pushing it to the limit. The very thought of vultures picking at our prized estate, the envy of the land at one time, is sickening. Equally distressing is the volume of supporters online happily accepting the club's statement and feeling quite pleased about it. These people are beyond help yet I can't help but get angry at their gullibility to just accept whatever they are told. It's almost as though the last 10 years of misery and decline in every department haven't happened. The trouble is that very few of these people will have ever been to Brockhall or understand what the situation is like down there. The rubbish from the club referencing the facilities being 30 years old - nonsense. The senior training centre is a little over 20 years old. It is a fantastic facility to this day, and will cost a hell of a lot of money to even match never mind improve upon. Most PL clubs would love a facility like that. The new one the dingles built at Gawthorpe isn't as good and that was only opened a few years ago. Thank you Jack Walker. There simply isn't the space on the existing academy site to develop it into a state of the art facility able to house everything we need for a Championship club and Category A academy. It isn't big enough. Jack Walker knew this, which is why he funded construction of a separate site elsewhere. They'll worry about that after though. 99% of fans won't ever go to Brockhall to see for themselves what there is there so they'll just cobble together something on the cheap. They disgust me. I don't even think this is a brain child of Venkys. They are too distant and disinterested to push something like this. Mowbray-Waggott-Venus - this has your fingerprints on it. I want them gone. Now.
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  18. Popular fan forum, BRFCS.com to relaunch with expanded content, partners with 4000 Holes. Tuesday 27th July 2021 This Wednesday, July 28th 2021 sees the re-launch of the BRFCS.com website. The leading Blackburn Rovers fans online forum will expand to include articles from guest authors and will incorporate the hugely popular “4000 Holes“ fanzine archive. The new website is formatted in a magazine style content and retains the much-loved forum. Fans can continue to have their say on the topics of the day, just as they have for over 25 years, sharing their hot takes after the latest match, or opinion on a new signing; but now, when they have more to say, there's a place for them to say it. BRFCS.com already has a team of familiar names to create multi-media content and some new contributors have been added to the team too - keep your eyes out for interesting items from them all. The "new" team behind the venture have been operating the site for the past 3 or 4 years. I’ll be the Forum, @Herbie6590 on podcast content, @4,000 Holes on website content, @StubbsUK running the website back end and @Rothon front end. The website will by run through Northern Horde Ltd. We’d like to thank the previous owners Glenn and Ste for everything they have done for the site historically. 
We’d also like to thank everyone who has helped us get this far, special mentions to the moderation team led by @K-Hod whilst we worked on the site, @Kamy100, @Biddy and Phil T. The new BRFCS continues the “not for profit” ethos of previous guardians of the site, with all profits from the forum continuing to be reinvested in order to improve the site and the Rovers community.
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  19. Quite astonishing that it seems some people are willing to just erase last season. I fully understand that some are desperate to get back to watching live football at Ewood (I dearly wish I was one myself). I'm not sure why that means that the slate should be wiped clean. It is almost incomprehensible that Mowbray is still the manager of this club. His performance and body language last season, never mind the results of the team, clearly demonstrated that he had lost the dressing room and was ready for the sack. Because he's surrounded himself with sympathisers and sycophants at the club and the 'inner circle' he'll have a small army of people working away to eradicate last season and, of course, criticism or doubts about him moving forward. Should he be here? No Does he deserve to be here? No Yet we have to put up with it because of the joke owners and joke structure we have here. After 4 years most of us know how this is going to unfold and are bored stiff of the same old story. It's hard to have any optimism when you know the setup isn't good enough and also know that it won't be changed regardless. No HOPE.
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  20. I’ve recently rejoined the Rovers Trust board. We had a board meeting last week were all these things were discussed, amongst other issues. Clearly the Trust needs to be a lot more active and visible - this will come. We are working on a number of things, and this thread and the ideas are now being shared with the board. Trust hat off, this is me speaking personally… I’m infuriated by the clubs total disregard for the rules around fan consultations, and I’m going way back before COVID here. They have never fully met the standards set out by the EFL, and it’s only the toothless nature of, and reluctance to accept any responsibility by the EFL that has prevented punishment against the club for their failings. As a start, fans could individually pressure the club into holding the proper, inclusive meetings with the owners or their representatives twice annually as they are duty bound to do. Of course the second part is getting organised and enough people there willing to ask tough questions, rather than being happy to be regaled by Mowbray (who shouldn’t even be there). Trust hat back on… there are moves taking place. I don’t want to sound like Waggott with the whole “we will look into it”, but the ideas outlined here will be taken on board. We need to be far more open in our activities and let our members know exactly what’s going on - I’ll strive to ensure that happens.
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  21. I watched that 64-65 team and yes it was a cracking side - one of the best I've seen at Ewood. But Pickering wanted away due to the wage situation at Ewood. Local businessmen who had limited finances were suddenly thrust into a situation were it was impossible to compete with the big city clubs in terms of wages. The likes of Bill Bancroft and Bill Fox did a great job - often under appreciated at the time I admit - to keep us competitive on little or no money. John Williams and Tom Finn ran the club superbly on limited finances compared with other Premier League clubs. The owners made mistakes when they first got involved with the club and whilst one could understand initial mistakes the fact that ten years later the club continues its downward spiral suggests that they still haven't a clue how to run a football club. Throwing £20 million a year at it and not coming close to getting anywhere near the play-offs, let alone promotion, is not a sign of good ownership it's a sign of complete incompetence. After 60 years of supporting this club I feel totally despondent about the future of this club. I've renewed my season ticket more out of habit than anything else. For the first time in more years than I care to remember I will not spend money renewing my away travel season ticket - partly due to Covid and partly due to the mind-numbing football that we play. Our squad this season is weaker than last and frankly if we finish fourth from bottom I will view that as an excellent outcome. As many on here will tell you, I've been one that has been prepared to give the owners time to get it right but, sadly, I've come to the conclusion that they will never get it right because they just aren't interested in the club.
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  22. I know it’s been mentioned a few times, but I honestly think he really crossed a line last night when he made the comment: ’we are the team we are, with respect to Blackburn Rovers, we haven’t been tearing it up in the premier league for a long time’. Having previously said: ‘This is Blackburn Rovers, premier league winners. You have to have an ambition, you have to want to push on. I want to get this club to the premier league as fast as I can’. I didn’t want to believe all the self preservation stuff, but he’s in the position where he’s blaming literally anyone and anything but himself. Cowardly.
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  23. I must admit that I've reached the point as to seriously question the value of paying even a tenner to watch Rovers at the moment. Like arbitro, I hadn't got a clue as to what formation we were playing or what role the players had. The substitutions - particularly replacing Nyambe with the kid from City - were mystifying at times. The Nyambe substitution really irritated me. Here we have a really good prospect who should be our right-back for years to come. A lad who has all the qualities required to play that position in the modern game and yet in the summer I feel sure he will be off and who could blame him. We will no doubt spend next season with a make-do-and-mend job until someone realises that full-back is a specialist position and needs a specialist in it! We ended yesterday with a back-four of two kids on loan - who are here simply to get experience to benefit their own clubs in the long term and not Blackburn Rovers - and a player who is out of contract and will be released come May. Whilst this is a League in which anyone can beat anyone on their day the fact is that if you are serious about reaching the top six these sort of games need to be won. Sadly, we seem to lack that winning mentality both on and off the pitch. We've spent serious money on Gallagher and Brereton and the return has been abysmal. Brereton - who is supposedly a different player this season - has scored 3 League goals thus far. Gally has four. Hardly top six material. We badly need a target man up front. A rough, tough, bully who will impose himself on defenders and create things for others as well as score a few. We also need a similar type in the centre of defence who can organise those around him. Above all supporters need to see that the club has a plan, a strategy for achieving promotion. Watching kids make mistakes and learn their trade before returning to the club that actually owns them has little long term appeal.
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  24. A fitting tribute by the lads to mark the passing of Diego...
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  25. Just to clarify: We were told we would fill all the loan spots. We were told we had at least 6 striking options on top of Obafemi and cash was available. I would suggest that as we failed with at least 6 different strikers - some of whom have signed for other Championship clubs - that whomever did the negotiating should be sacked immediately. Simply. It's F****** pathetic.
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  26. Club history The West Bromwich Football Club as we know it today, played its first match against Hudsons FC on 23 November 1878. Borrowing a ball from another local club they drew 0-0 in front of a handful of enthralled spectators, beginning a tradition of dull as f*** football that continues to this day. Ten months later, on 20 September 1879, West Bromwich Strollers were formed as an official club by a group of workers from the George Salter Spring Works, many of whom participated in the initial Hudsons match. These men from Salters, still without a ball between them (heehee) went to the nearest shop that sold footballs, in Wednesbury, where there were already the three flourishing clubs; The Old Athletic, another Strollers by coincidence and Elwells. Cooper’s Hill, a roughly triangular shaped piece of wasteland inspiring Tony Mowbray's modern 'tactics', and Dartmouth Park were alternately used. The players would carry a pair of portable goalposts with them because they were never quite sure where they would kick off. Hence the name Strollers. The first formally recorded match, as Strollers, was played on 13th December 1879 against Black Lake Victoria at Dartmouth Park and was won 1-0. Soon the name Strollers was thought to sound too casual so they changed it to West Bromwich Albion in 1880. The suffix was derived from an old foundry district in West Bromwich of the same name, where several of the members lived. The support for the Albion was such that paying spectators demanded to be entertained, for which purpose an enclosed ground was required. This was found on Bunn’s Field, also known as 'The Birches', located off Wallsall Street. With the still growing support Albion were in need of yet another venue. Four Acres became their new home in 1882. Despite a staggering 16,393 crowd in 1885 for the visit of our beloved Blackburn Rovers, West Bromwich Albion had eventually outgrown Four Acres and 'Strolled on' again, this time to Stoney Lane, only a short walk from the club’s previous grounds. By 1900 Stoney Lane had degenerated to such an extent that it had become one of the worst in the First Division, attendances had slumped to around 6,000, and the club faced a financial crisis. Another move was thought best for the revival of the club’ s fortunes. When the board took out an option on a 10 acre site, West Bromwich Albion found their permanent home at the now familiar The Hawthorns. So-called because the club’s secretary, Frank Heaven, had discovered that hawthorn bushes had flourished in the surrounding area at one time. To this day, the Hawthorns remains the highest football ground in England above sea level! It was also, incidentally, the first ground to successfully implement electronic turnstiles. The new ground brought with it the team nickname The Throstles, the Black Country word for Thrush, commonly seen in the hawthorn bushes from which the ‘ground’ took its name. My dad reckons, after chatting to Eric Morecambe in the 70s, that this nickname was the inspiration for one of his longest running gags. For example: 'Have you got the Throstles?' 'No, I always walk like this!' The joke was the oft repeated with potentially funny sounding words greeted by the same punchline; 'Have you got the sprockets/scrolls or other word topical to one of Ernie Wise's 'Plays what I wrote'. For many years a thrush ‘lived’ at the ground in a wooden cage which was hung above the player’s tunnel. Later the club had a replica of a large thrush perched on top of the half-time scoreboard at the uncovered Woodman Paddock. It also inspired the design of the official club badge, with a throstle, perched on a branch, depicted on a background of the blue and white club colours. West Bromwich Albion have alternatiely used the throstle and the town’s first coat of arms as their insignia. The arms were granted in 1882 and except the millrinds, which represent the iron and brass foundries, the items are all derived from the arms, crest and supporters of the Earls of Dartmouth, who were formerly seated at Sandwell Hall. The ostrich feathers in the crest, nowadays associated with the Heir Apparent, were introduced into English royal heraldry by Edward III, who probably derived it from his wife, Philippa of Hainault. They represent willing obedience and derenity. The shield with the stag’s head is charged with blue stars and fleurs-de-lys alluding to the sparkling water of Sandwell Spa. Less readily explained than the crest is the nickname 'The Baggies'. It is a mystery defying a solution; we do not know what to believe but you will enjoy whatever version. In its early days The Hawthorns had only two entrances, one behind each goal. On match days the gatekeepers would gather up the takings at each end and be escorted by policemen along the sides of the pitch to the centre line where there was a small office under the stand. The gate money, mostly in pennies, amounted to a considerable sum and was carried in large cloth bags. It wasn’t long before some wag in the crowd started shouting “here come the bag men!” at their appearance in front of the main stand, and this developed into a chant of “here come the Baggies!”, giving the team its unnofficial nickname. Another version claims that in early days of the club’s history, many of the supporters worked in the local ironworks and because of the intense heat, tended to wear very loose, baggy clothing. Since most of them would go straight to the match after work, it resulted in a very oddly attired bunch standing on the terraces at the Hawthorns, and led to the nickname of ‘Baggies’. A more surprising idea? The name Baggies was given to Albion’s ironworker fans by Villa supporters. They used to put on their moleskin trousers on Saturday afternoons, with belts worn instead of braces, and periodically they would give a sailor’s hitch to their unmentionables when they began to sag over their boots. When Albion and Villa clashed at the old Perry Bar Ground large numbers of Albion fans walked to the game. The ironworkers kept together in groups, many of them with their trousers at three quarters mast, and when near the ground, they were greeted with cries of `Here come the Baggies of Bromwich'” Finally, all labourers in the Black Country wore trousers from a thick material called `duck’. When new, it was snow white, but with frequent washing went a dark hue. When repairs were necessary, at knees and back, the dark trousers were repaired with snowy white `duck’. This gave a bulky appearance to the patch, so labourers with these patches were generally called Baggies, as they looked like flour bags, and hence the taunt from Villa supporters back in the old days... Random fact: West Brom full back George Shaw was the last player born in the 19th century to earn an England cap. Celebrity fans: Eric Clapton, Frank Skinner, Adrian Chiles, Lenny Henry, Joe Lycett, Liam Payne. Probably others? Previous Meetings: I honestly can't remember very many. I vaguely recall Keith Andrews scoring a fantastic volley against them once? Shared players: Mowbray (ugh), Reid, and I'm sure a great many others. Current form: 7pts from 9, rather like us! They've just swept promotion favourites Sheffield United aside 4-0, so not expecting an easy game! Standout players: You'll have to forgive my ignorance. Prediction: Dunno. Loss?
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  27. Hello all. Thought I'd register on here tonight as I'm a Stoke fan living in Chile for the past 15 years, following the local football all that time through thick and thin, completely bewildered by the fact that a kid who grew up about 3 miles from me in Stoke-on-Trent is now playing and scoring for the national team and is a complete fucking sensation on Chilean social media. Absolutely bizarre. Genuinely a bit emotional about him scoring earlier for some weird reason. I've got Chilean friends, neighbours, acquaintances here sending me memes and articles about him all over the place. There was a short documentary piece about him on one of the major news channels the other night. What a story. Good lad Ben. Let's see how he gets on in the rest of the tourny. It's certainly added a bit of interest in these parts. Anyway, hello. 😉
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  28. We are clearly losing our supporter base and fast.A new low under the dreaded tenure of Venkys happened tonight I believe....we experienced our lowest league gate at Ewood since it was rebuilt some 28 years ago.Apathy within the Town is clearly at an all time high since the dark days of the mid 80's. Blackpool(with all due respect) had some two thousand more on Bloomfield tonight,let that sink in. A decade of owner negligence,lack of supporter/owner interaction coupled with a CEO who appears to have little connection nor understanding of the local demographics of the Town and then you throw in a Manager well past his welcome and you have a recipe for disaster...you reap what you sow. To see Ewood so empty is a heartbreaker,this is not what JW wanted.A radical change of direction is needed within the corridors of Power at Ewood before It's too late. Genuinely worried and saddened at events unfolding.
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  29. Wasn't long ago we were pointing at Wigan and Bolton as examples of local clubs that we could end up like if Venkys walked away. Now they are spending more than us in the division below and getting more on watching. Wasn't long ago we were being told that we were doing things differently to the past and were building slowly but sustainably, ensuring the club had assets to fall back on. That now looks like a sick joke when you consider what we have left under rapidly expiring contracts and complete dependence on cheap loans to fill out the squad. Wasn't long ago Mowbray was talking about taking a few years to get us into shape for promotion to the Prem. Now I think most of us would be relieved if we limped our way to survival and even the most optimistic have set their ambitions at 'mid table'. Wasn't long ago we were being told that our new, steady, sensible, sustainable approach was the right thing to do to put us in good shape for the future and protect the club from the perils of FFP, whilst all those other silly clubs spending big money would suffer the consequences of sanctions. Here were are having been under an embargo and then since being released from that embargo have effectively been under a self-imposed embargo resulting in an inability to address glaring issues in the squad. Ever get the feeling that you've been had hook, line and sinker? The only folks to profit from the last 3 years appear to be Mowbray, Waggott, the staff and favoured players lavished with lucrative contracts. The club and fans certainly don't have much to show for it. Unless dire football and bottom half Championship is your thing.
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  30. Probably a good job or there'd be no point signing him
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  31. I’m not even that bothered by the lack of signings at this point, and I’m certainly not surprised. We should’ve got whatever money we could at the start of the window for Armstrong and used it to pay off Mowbray, Venus, Lowe, and whoever else, as well as Waggott. A compensation package should’ve been agreed with Wycombe for Ainsworth and Tom Finn should’ve been approach with a sincere apology and a handsome offer to try and get the club back on track. Just a quick one on Waggott, if his salary was talked about weekly instead of annually, it becomes apparent he earns more than most of our first team squad. More than we are offering Nyambe. It’s ridiculous. I’d be happy going into the next season with no new signings, but with major changes in the dugout and boardroom, in fact, I’d be delighted.
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  32. Got to say I'm finding it difficult to support a club where the fans happiness is so unimportant. This week showed just how important fans are to the game but at Rovers we haven't been listened to since 2010. It's difficult to take and continue to support financially and with enthusiasm. Neville's comments about certain owners being imposters is exactly right. “You never hear from the owners of these clubs” he said - that part really resonated with me and I'm sure it does with many others. Venky's should be ashamed at how they've estranged so many fans from this great and historical football club. I realise, and couldn't care less that they've supported us financially, many others could do the same but loyal, hardworking fans take greater joy from much smaller gestures than that. The fans want to be listened to and feel a part of this club. A manager losing the fans should mean something, it has to. Someone somewhere is not getting that message across and the fans have been failed yet again.
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  33. Here's wishing every one of you and your families a wonderful healthy happy and successful 2021. We've been through a lot together as Rovers fans and 2020 has had its own particular twists and challenges to say the least. But I am very upbeat about the coming year even though the first quarter promises to be the worst part of Covid. We even have a bit of a Rolls Royce of a Rovers squad albeit the tires at the back are bald, there's no spare and we have found out what we suspected all along, the long serving chauffeur doesn't know how to drive... Here's my 30,000th post- what the heck have I been doing with my time since this MB started all those years ago? What a ride it has been and what incredible avenues just being a Rovers supporter has taken me down. I can't imagine addiction to sex, drugs, booze and rock 'n roll could be any more distracting/time consuming/giver of coruscating lows or ecstatic highs than the accident of birth and upbringing within easy walking distance of Ewood.. COYB
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  34. Don't take it personally. He might have had a drink.
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  35. At Rovers there are no wingers. Just strikers you haven't met yet.
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  37. Well personally I'm at a clear stage in life. As difficult as Coronvirus has been the 13 month break in football games has simplified things and offered a fresh perspective on football. If it had just carried on uninterrupted then I'd have just carried on turning up indefinitely without question. If Mowbray is still here or if they replace him with Venus or another micky mouse cheap easy appointment then I'm out. It won't even be a difficult choice any more. Things have changed. The worst part for me isn't the shite football or results, it's the lack of trust and accountability. I can tolerate rubbish football and results, I can't tolerate shysters selling off our training ground, unsackable managers who appoint their own CEOs and people taking hundreds of thousands a year out whilst pleading poverty.
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  38. It's also a huge misconception that the users of this site don't represent the 'general fan' - one thats usually peddled by people that either: 1) don't enjoy the forum (which is fine) or 2) have previously been banned from the forum and now have an agenda. The forum usually receives - on a normal day, 700 individual hits from across the globe. Of which, usually, around 200 post, but the majority of the 700 are members with an 'active' account to post if they see fit. Each of those 700 people usually spend between 10-12 minutes browsing the forum each session, which is massive, a normal website gets between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. The people hitting over 2 minutes tend to come back two or three times a day for similar periods of time. There isn't another Rovers fan platform out there which has anything like those numbers. Imagine a twitter thread which has 200 people replying or a facebook post with that volume of interactivity. Anyways, thats enough justifying BRFCS.com. Which, for the record, is the longest going platform for Rovers fans, of which everyone is allowed an opinion, so long as they don't personally abuse other people. ;)
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  39. With respect to Tony Mowbray, we are Blackburn Rovers and we have pulled you off the football scrapheap and given you 4 years that your previous management achievements barely deserved. Now that you are trying to drag the great name of this club down to your level while trying to take the high ground you need to walk. And now.
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  40. I expect progress within 3 years. I expect not to see players hopelessly out of position. I expect us not to stock up a defence with crocks. I expect us to be able to beat teams above us from time to time. I expect basic idiotic mistakes like letting players chose if they are fit not to be made. I expect good players contract situations to be sorted. I expect us to have a bit of bottle and launch a serious promotion bid. I expect us to not hide behind the excuse of they spent more than us. Boo bloody hoo. Didn't stop Hughes or Souness's teams. (And by that inference TM should get little credit for promotion.) I expect that if Brentford can turn a profit to increase their budget than so can we. On that I expect us to be able to at least match the achievements of Millwall and Preston who both finished above us with inferior budgets. I expect a good balanced squad after free reign and no forced outgoings in 3 years. I expect some sodding accountability for the management. You know targets, performance reviews and other radical measures. I expect us not to arse away money on extensions for dross in an extended season. And I expect some pride in the shirt.
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  41. Good luck with Barry Douglas, hope he does well for you lot!
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  42. Didn't really know the thread to stick this in. Some of you may know I run an account on Twitter called RoversAnalytics. Well as I posted there earlier today, I've taken a role at SPL side Heart of Midlothian in the 1st team recruitment department and will have to step away from running that account. I will also have to take a step away from posting on the board also. Thanks to anyone who supported that channel and enjoyed the stuff. Data isn't/wasn't for everyone and that's understandable, but I hope I at least created some conversation regarding it! 🙂
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  43. You can't compare Mowbray to Kean, Kean was just Vile, The only likeness is media manipulation, as with the sky interview where he seemed resigned his time was up, which had many quarters in football and in our supporter base feeling sorry for him. Then, this season its been about how we have no money, and him literally begging people to buy armstrong. He took the unusual step of talking in depth about Obafemi, despite him being another clubs player. The sceptical side of me would ask , is this his ready made excuse if the deal falls through that we couldnt afford his wages/transfer? It would certainly strengthen his position if we have parted with 12 and got no-one in? Surely no manager can have the finger pointed at them if we go down due no investment maybe his thought process? Mowbray has served his purpose, a steady pair of hands to stabilise the sinking ship. His finest hour at rovers is taking us back up, but on wages alone, it would of been a disaster had we not gone straight back up, given the gap in quality we had over the opposition. However in the championship, we have not kicked on. He talks about a journey, but its like he keeps forgetting something so goes back to the start of the journey without ever reaching the destination. This COVENTRY link in the boardroom and management is unhealthy. I don't believe Waggott has the balls to recommend TMs sacking. Its no different now to Shagnew, and Kean. They knew together they were bullet proof, divided they would fall. As I said last week, I don't expect an awful lot this season. The ground is beginning to look old, the training facilities are no longer the state of the art, other clubs have evolved and not only passed us, but are now lapping us. The squad is lower championship/higher reaches of Division 1. The management is passed its sell by date and predictable. The owners are clueless, and the fans have left in their thousands. The memories are all we have, and top flight football in the current climate is a near impossible mission
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  44. 1) Concourse/catering etc £8 for a pie and pint in Blackburn is scandalous if you ask me. £7:50 was tbf. I would pay that sat in a decent bar / restaurant, but not for poorly managed beer / an average sodexo pie. Seems more frustrating when there’s plenty of decent local brewers and bakeries. Also - 1 game back, one customer lossed (as the queue was longer than half time!) By making some effort here, and not simply paying some scouse company to look after it, we’d be making more money. Lack of effort. 2) ST prices Gradually got worse under SW but at least those who’d signed up in 20/21 received a discount. Needs a complete rethink, should be giving 5000 seats away to schools, community groups… comped tickets for low income families etc. Distinct lack of effort 3) Matchday prices £32 for an afternoon that’s now probably costing you minimum £50 and if you’ve got kids + chips and drinks, nearly a £100. Just putting people off and when you lose the habit, it’s hard to get it back. 4) Away fans at Ewood No real issue with their seating or how many we allow, but I feel this is potentially where the lazy accountancy comes in - SW can probably justify charging a team that’ll bring 2000+ away fans £30 because the ticket turnover would be higher than the extra 1000 home fans you’d get at £20 instead. To me it seems like actual creative pricing and some improved match day fare would improve turnover quicker than simply boosting the price of tickets, but then when you look at Bolton selling 10k season tickets at a minimum of £200, SW probably thinks he’s justified selling 6500 of ours at a minimum of £400 each. 5) Brockhall Academy More I read / hear, the more it sounds like a good thing the people of whalley/langho put a stop to it. Overall - Mr Waggott you’ve got a reputation as a lazy CEO, who’s not that bothered as you’re seemingly not culpable or responsible to the owners. Hence why their perilous vacuum is to blame ultimately. Once again, all cheques and no craft. Its entirely fixable however - I’m not convinced Waggott would ever listen though.
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  45. This is an SOS to any Venkys employees reading this. Do not give this man money to spend before prioritising contracts for Ben Brereton, Thomas Kaminski, Joe Rothwell, Ryan Nyambe and Darragh Lenihan.
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  46. A lot of twitterers saying “I accept that it’s time for Mowbray to go, but those that have been shouting for that for ages were well out of order. They’re nasty people and not real fans” In other words, “they were right and I was wrong, but there’s no way I’m admitting that”. Its astonishing how blooming naieve they are.
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  47. Established Championship club ✅ Recent history of Premier League football ✅ Squad packed with quality, including 2nd highest scorer in the league and a returning Dack ✅ No forced sales ✅ Owner investment and no interference ✅ Fantastic training ground ✅ Cat A academy top of the tree in the country ✅ Most successful club outside the top division by trophies won ✅ Low expectations from both fans and owners ✅ Its a dream job. If we conducted a proper recruitment process they'd be clamoring over each other for a crack at promotion here. Quite frankly its a disgrace that they'd have us believe Mowbray is the best we can hope for.
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  48. OK, well I’ll qualify it with a serious response, just incase. We’ve always changed thread titles. It’s just with the latest forum software you can see (or I’m guessing you can) who changed the title and when. When I say always, usually it’s not for attempted comedy like in this instance, usually if a thread goes off topic or details about a game change / aren’t included I will tweak the thread title to be suitable. I changed the title of the thread because I found it funny. I really enjoyed StevenSK getting wine recommendations half way through the thread because I was expecting chaos when I logged in — which usually happens when we lose. To his credit, Mercer took it very well and I’ve had a few laugh out loud moments this evening reading the replies. I’ve also found it thoroughly refreshing that the thread isn’t full of arguments and bickering. We’ve had two reports tonight in this thread, usually after a loss we’re closer to ten. I may have misjudged the situation, honestly from viewing the replies I can only see that you’ve found offence, if it’s only you then my honest thoughts are ‘so be it’ but if it’s genuinely upset anyone else please do speak or (either on private message or publicly here) and if the general consensus is that it’s not appreciated I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again. Either way, as always, thank you for having an opinion. This website is run at this stage solely by a small sponsorship deal and volunteers, it’s sometimes great and sometimes a bit of a burden. We won’t always get it right but we will always try to do the best to keep the site going, improve on it and at a minimum keep the community open to anyone that wishes to be part of it and respect it.
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  49. Taken from that article.. This is why we'll never progress with Mowbray, if you're signing players for any other reason than improving the first 11 then what's the point? We have enough squad fillers as it is.
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