Hasslebaink’s return to Burton coincided with the club giving him significant budget in January compared to the previous manager. Carter was one of a number of new signings.

47er - that question was not specifically asked at last week’s Forum but Steve Waggott said that the most important criterion for the development was that Cat 1 status was retained. The Forum minutes are on the club website and there is a link on the Forum thread. One might infer from that that if there was a risk that whatever was done would mean the loss of status then it wouldn’t be done, although many on here would I think not believe that.

Simon - clearly the work that Palace have done to get their new Cat 1 status would also have to be done by the club as well. But he sensible time to do it will be when they have got past proof of concept and they then engage professionals re the design of the new centre but before they start knocking anything down and building again. Doing all that now just means that they risk wasting money if there are problems with the proof of concept application. We didn't ask a specific question about getting advance confirmation of retention of Cat 1 status but we will have plenty of time to ask it at subsequent meetings. All I know is as much as anyone else on here given that there have been plenty of public pronouncements i.e. that the club's position is that the most important thing is the retention of Cat 1 status. It's reiterated in the FF minutes.

Richard - as you say Herbie has already put up a link to them on the club site. If I posted them on the FF thread it would be a huge post (they are 5 pages of A4) which would really mess up this thread.

But Crystal Palace are currently Cat 2 so presumably wanted the reassurance that their new centre would be good enough for an upgrade. And they may already have planning approval. Rovers already have Cat 1 status so have no need to incur costs on designing the new centre until the club has secured proof of concept approval. It would be financially daft to do otherwise.

Bit tricky on Zoom!

There is a strong possibility that there will be third wave of the virus in the Autumn. Whilst it might not be anywhere near as severe as what we have been through given that adults will have been vaccinated by then it could cause some restrictions in movement and big crowds at sports games could be affected. So reduced crowds are a possibility next season.

I think one thing both the EFL and clubs are concerned about is that they suspect a number of fans will be hesitant to return at first no matter what the rules are and they may be looking at a way to keep them engaged until confidence returns. I'd agree however that blanket provision of iFollow to all fans will kill attendances.

The minutes from last Monday’s Fans Forum are now up on the club website.

Simon - my first post was responding to someone asking why there are no detailed plans for the new training centre and I just went on to outline my view that the project is years from any completion and may not happen at all. It wasn't a comment one way or the other on the project's desirability.

Actually it is my opinion Simon. I suspect any architect worth his fees can draw up a plan to fill a given plot of land with a quick plan as to how many houses you can fit on it. They will probably have a bit of software that can knock it out in minutes. It's a lot different to design a one-off building from scratch. There will be significant costs in producing the detailed building design. The houses on the other hand would I assume be designed and developed by whoever buys the land and builds them. I have no idea why anyone wold be more likely to support the plans if they had been presented with some fancy design drawings now. The councils know what a football training building looks like, more or less, as there are already two on site. Whilst what goes inside the new one might very well be more up to date I doubt the outside will look significantly dfferent. What is absolutely clear is that this is a proof of concept application. It could very easily be thrown out by both councils at the first attempt. Even if they get a green light to go to the next stage it will take a very long time to get full planning permission, I would expect years and there will still be no guarantees of success. I would doubt that even the proof of concept will be sorted before the councils go into purdah ahead of the May elections.

There aren't any yet. These applications are for a proof of concept to be put to the two councils to get their views on the principle of the two developments. There would be no point in employing quantity surveyors and the like at considerable cost to draw up plans for a building that might never be built.

He's at Middlesboro now and played against us at Ewood in November.

I think you need to check your abacus.

Well Dack and Brereton both had decent chances as well. But my point was we made a number of chances and should have scored more than one. Jim was suggesting that Cabango was the reason why we didn’t and I was disagreeing.

But we could easily have scored two or three more and it wasn’t down to him that we didn’t.

For me he had a pretty good game on Saturday as well - he deserved to have at least two assists as well as a number of other fine balls. And there was plenty to enjoy in some of his other appearances too. But then I’ve always thought he is a real prospect.

Cabango? He was fairly lucky to stay on the pitch. He had no idea what to do with Dolan snapping round his ankles, particularly in the first half.

On that performance seeing Swansea up there is infuriating too. I can only assume they must play better than that. How have they kept 17 clean sheets - the defence was frequently all over the place. And their only real goal treat was from set piece corners and long throws.

Not for me, although they should probably have had one earlier for handball. But then so should we in the second minute, which would have been a straight red as well.

You don’t have to listen to him you know!

To be fair to them they don’t have the benefit of replays like us and it would have been easy to miss the handball in real time.

This one has only reffed 4 Championship games this season so far so pretty unlikely.

I can’t say I’ve ever noticed that on my feed. I’ll keep an eye out tonight.

I don’t think so. It would have been on the original date.