I asked you this morning which players Mowbray has paid a transfer fee for, that are 'duffers' as you put it? So far you've come up with Gallagher, who is far from abysmal, Chris Brown was abysmal. As for looking silly, your continued support of Venkys speaks louder than anything I could ever post to make you look silly Rev, wake up for goodness sake.

Quite simply not true Wheelton. Bit of advice, read the context before wading in.

I described his business when paying a transfer fee as excellent, if you want to provide evidence to the contrary, the floor is yours.

Yes that £400k he spent on transfer this season will definitely make us promotion candidates, coupled with the £1m he spent last season........ Going up going up going up........come on Wheelton, you're better than that.

Thats why we have a message board Blue Blood and I respect your views, even though I don't agree with them all. I think both Brereton and Gallagher suffered due to Armstrong being in the side, Mowbray quite rightly played to Armstrong throughout his time here and tried to fit the other 2 in where possible. Brereton has flourished this season being the number one striker, but Gallagher has chipped in with a few goals and created goals for his team mates, Derby away and Sheff Utd? more recently if memory serves me correctly. In terms of loans, that market has changed significantly in the time I've been watching football. Once upon a time if you needed a player you went and got one, maybe 2, mostly to fill a gap for an injured player. Nowadays its the lower leagues version of transfer market with no transfer fees, you mostly get players other clubs don't want and you usually have up to 5 in your squad? Its a lottery, you probably wouldn't have some of them anywhere near the first team if you had the choice, but with no money for permanent transfers and depleted squads, thats the market you're playing in. How many teams get promoted to Premiership with a side full of loan players? I can only think of Wolves and they had multi million pound players as part of a deal with the super agent. Its not a successful model for 99% of teams. I started off earlier today by saying Mowbrays business when a transfer fee is involved is excellent, referring to Kaminski on Saturday and I have no reason to change that opinion.

Sam Gallagher is probably the first name on the team sheet when fit, he does far more than score goals Rev, his work ethic with an without the ball is undeniable, he creates, and weights in with one or two also, a managers dream. If he could add a few more goals to his tally he'd be off for another significant profit, he can spot a player can Mowbray.

Rev has run a mile because Mowbrays buys have been on the whole excellent, his return on investment must delight the owners, no getting away from that. The loan market is a lottery, especially when we have no money to compete on wages. Harvey Elliot was a gem, Tosin was a gem, but its a lottery in the main with more failures than successes. On Sam Gallagher, he's a mangers dream, if you go to games thinking "Gallagher = striker = goals" and nothing else matters, you'll probably be disappointed. But the work that lad puts in during a game is phenomenal with or without the ball, how many chances has he setup this season for his team mates? Brereton up until this season was poor, he not only failed to score he also didn't work hard enough, but he's put that right this season and all credit to him. I never absolved Mowbray of any blame for not being good enough, I'd have sacked him a while ago, but clearly its not all bad, for the reasons I've already stated.

He was a loan signing wasn't he? Can you tell me how many 'duff signings' he's made when a transfer fee has been involved?

In recent seasons we'd have lost that game on Saturday imo, we didn't lose, we gained a point in my book. We also saw another Mowbray signing standing up to be counted, the excellent Thomas Kaminski. In a week where he was called up to the full Belgium national side, his value increases further, Mowbray can certainly spot a player. Not all bad is it Rev.

Probably the best first round of boxing ever, from two of the greatest middleweights ever, the rest of the fight wasn’t bad either.

It wasn't me that claimed relegation was deliberate originally, if you can't even recall who you're having the debate with we're struggling 1864.

Coupled with a lack of care and general incompetence. The club could improve on so many levels without having to spend a penny, but the people that do care are few and far between, if they even exist at all these days.

Exhibit A - The past 10yrs of Venkys control, if you can't join those dots you're not looking hard enough.

I read what you wrote and now you're rowing back faster than Redgrave and Pinsent. When Blackburn Rovers 2011 was sold, its was a club sat 11th in Premiership, punching well above its weight, with a boardroom full of footballing people and an experienced manager and very good players. 2yrs later we had no boardroom structure, we sat firmly in league 1 having sacked many good people that worked day to day at the club, we had crooks filling deep pockets and a visit to the old bailey under our belts. Are you telling me that was setup for success? I'm telling you that was setup to fail and it did just that.

My original point was getting rid of Mowbray and Waggott fixes nothing, the bigger picture must be to get rid of Venkys. We've changed the manager 9 times in 10yrs, we've changed the CEO probably 5 times, it doesn't work, especially when we're using a small gene pool of washed up dregs owned by 1 agency. The longer these owners are here, the more damage they do.

They could play on Pleasington playing fields for all I care, if these inept owners sod off I'll have 4 season tickets immediately. As long as we are being run by proper footballing people who give a toss about the club, the town and its supporters, thats good enough for me, at the moment we are dying by a thousand cuts and changing the manager and CEO won't change that, as the last 10yrs have shown us.

I'll ask you again. How many clubs of the stature of say, a Blackburn Rovers, have folded and 'become history' as you put it? The reason why I ask is its the difference between putting up with the continued downgrading of the club or striving for something better. If you truly believe Venkys are our only option thats an acceptable position to hold.

I'll take that as a No then, which is the right answer, we have nobody at the club who could make a decent appointment, the last 10yrs proves that. How many clubs of the stature of say, a Blackburn Rovers, have folded and 'become history' as you put it?

Can you name me one person in the current setup that can achieve that goal? Bringing in that calibre of appointment?

Think bigger picture, unless you want more of the same for the next 10yrs+ Venkys out

Not true, but that wasn't my point. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32512704

When new owners come into the club on a ticket to get Champions league football with a budget of £5m a season, the argument could be made that they deliberately relegated the cub in pursuit of that aim. They replaced the current manager with a coach, replaced the best chairman in the country with nobody, sold off all the clubs assets, or put them in the stands so as not to pay win bonuses and loyalty bonuses. Those are all very deliberate acts which resulted in relegation and the demise of this football club.

I'll be honest with you ojf, the scramble to paint Rafiq as the bad guy is unsavoury to say the least and its often from a position of not even knowing the facts relating to the claims. It may not be the intention of posters on this board to do that, but thats the way its coming across. As Jim said yesterday, being racially abused 7 days a week by your work mates, which isn't in dispute by the way, is a far different proposition than sharing private whatsapp messages with a mate, but both are racist. Throw the book at them all.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19729241.tony-mowbray-blackburn-rovers-have-included-top-six-mix/ Very good interview with Mowbray, talking common sense.

Lets get this back to cricket. The first Test is in Brisbane on 8 December, before a day-night match in Adelaide on 16 December. BT Sports have bought the Tv rights, but won't be sending any commentators down under, we'll be getting the local commentary from Fox and channel 7 by all accounts. I think we'll get thumped, I don't like the side which should have included Mahmood at a minimum, I'd have also taken Parkinson and Livingston, who I know has very little test match experience, but we need fearless players in the team, not blockers. I think 4-1 is the best we can hope for, but we'll probably lose 5-0.