No- they tried that at the end of Bowyer’s period, bring in a load of cheap players who must have been on next nothing. The result? We struggled and Bowyer got sacked. The only club I’ve heard of making a profit away from the top flight is Walsall- I’ve no doubt there’s a few other tinpot outfits that do too. Most football clubs will never make a profit outside the top flight, due to wage demands etc.,unless a completely different business model is adopted, meaning the incorporation of something like house rentals is placed under a club’s name, meaning tenants’ rents go directly into the club’s cash flow . I think that’s what Millwall are trying to do with their stadium redevelopment, and maybe Brentford. Don’t quote me on that though! Would it be such a daft idea for Venky’s to put a couple of million into detached properties around England, and rent them out? They could use the money earnt to begin cutting the club’s debt (if that’s even legal).

Maybe it comes down to the sheer embarrassment of what’s happened, that they feel they have to put it right. I once spoke to an Indian chap at a Tube station, who’d emigrated to London; he was embarrassed about what they’d done to us. It was on the relegation day at Brentford, after the game. I also wonder about the dirty agent deals that have happened too, and whether much of that was legal. Not to compare the two, but how much Uncle Jack spend over the course of his ownership? Surely it can’t too dissimilar to what these clowns have spaffed up the wall, taking out the fact Jack would have spent more in today’s game.

Christ, can you imagine if they’d have given Allaradyce £250 million to spend, alongside some of the TV money? I feel sick about where we’d probably be sat now. Instead, we’ve enjoyed away days at Walsall, Southend and Oldham. How someone hasn’t taken those ‘advisors’ to court yet, from Venky’s, is unbelievable!

Mowbray’s job was to keep us up this year, nothing more, nothing less. He’s done that: Should he address the defensive situation in summer (and give Derek Williams to a club in League 1), we’ll progress. If he doesn’t, he be out of a job, because we’ll be in a relegation battle.

Another one and now it’s the keeper’s fault? Dear God!

Marking at fault according to Radio Lancs for this goal. Mowbray has to spend summer buying a new back line, because regardless of how good we are going forward, we can’t defend. Annoyed isn’t the word right now! Even if we had back line that was half decent, we’d probably be in the top half.

I’d argue he’s been our best defender recently.

Derek Williams again at fault according to Radio Lancs; the man HAS to go in summer.

Everything that’s wrong with modern football now, and probably society. Whatever happened to being given time? Saying that, they’re currently sat fourth- he didn’t exactly need time to turn things round did he? They were already in a bloody good position!

Boring? I define boring as something that’s repetitive, just like your ability to bang on about Mowbray needing to be removed. So, who would you replace him with? You can’t just talk on about getting rid of him, and not expect to be questioned about his replacement. What did you really expect this season? The title after going unbeaten all season? Promotion via the play offs? You’re living in a fantasy land if you are. Our job this season was to survive. With regards to season ticket sales- Waggott’s clearly been brought in to try and cut the losses, whilst keeping the team competitive. Again, you’re living on planet fantasy if you think Venky’s are just going to allow him to cut season ticket prices. You’ve also got to think about the financial fair play situation. If we cut season ticket prices, the playing budget untimately will get cut. The chances of this club bringing in similar attendances to the when we were in the top flight are minimal. Why? Because we’re in the Championship. Your average walk in- who last paid out for a season ticket when we were in the top flight- isn’t going to purchase one when you’re up against teams like Rotherham and Wigan, on a cold Wednesday night at home, when they can keep eye on it with Sky’s red button. The next time we’ll get big league crowds is on a return to the top flight, when big teams turn up. Just look the Liverpool and United FA Cup games... You can talk about trying to “entice the fans” as much as you want. The fact the average walk in didn’t purchase one, when they’d have been given one for free the following season, if we’d been promoted under Bowyer, says an awful lot.

Who do we replace Mowbray with then? Our owners are about as incompetent as it gets one they look for a new manager.

Thank the Lord of someone talking sense!

You’re not telling me the ref had an impact on that game though? He was absolutely appalling today.

It wasn’t just the time wasting though. From recollection: - Nuttall taking the ball fairly off a PNE defender and being through, before the ref blew up -The goal that was disallowed after a fair challenge -Armstrong clearly being obstructed down the wing during the last 10 minutes- how the linesman didn’t see that right in front of him That was just a handful too in the second half. What ever happened at half time with ref has changed the course of the game. He blew for nothing in the first half. To show I’m being completely unbiased, the PNE player’s red was over the top too.

Bang on there- the ref was absolutely appalling. Something happened at half time, because we went from everything being allowed to go, to absolutely nothing. Preston have had one decent chance today and scored from it. That goal was the fault of Williams, who my honest opinion, should never play for the club again. He is absolutely appalling.

Raya error I hear?

I’m sorry, but this is embarrassing. I have absolutely no words. When you consider the utter shite state that recently promoted clubs are in compared us, I have absolutely no words. When you consider the the utter shite state that we were in when Mowbray took over, this is up there with one of the worst polls I’ve ever seen on here.

It’s a bizarre one alright! Mark Venus, his right hand man, isn’t exactly short of experience either is he? Agreed- the team wasn’t up to playing pretty football, with the money drying up. I started watching Rovers under Souness though, being the age I am. Up until that point, I only knew that we could play football to entertain.

Williams is an absolute liability. I still can’t get over how Downing left on loan and that joker managed to stay. I agree about Raya though. A proper keeping coach would help too.

Would agree with that about Mowbray after what I saw against Reading. I’ve got a season ticket too, before anyone comments ?. The big difference between Allardyce and Mowbray is that we commit more men forward. Allardyce basically had 10 men defending for 80 minutes of the game, where as Mowbray likes to commit men forward, and rightly so, in order to give us the best chance of scoring. Allardyce’s brand wasn’t half crap to watch too. I refused to renew my season ticket after his first full year in charge. Mowbray’s biggest downfall is the way he organises the team to defend. We never man mark, unless it’s a set piece. It’s all zonal marking. Those goals on Weds night, and ones previous to that, show our back line to be very lax in the way they pick oppositions players up. They need to be bang, smack next to them, not close them. The other issue we’ve got is pace. Mulgrew and Rodwell, albeit it technically gifted, are ridiculously slow. I’d be looking to move those to next to Lewis Travis in a deep lying midfield role, and investing some younger lads to sit alongside Lenihan. To contradict my last point though- we probably could sign some decent, younger defenders, but unless Mowbray tells them to be breathing down there neck, when we’re on the back foot, we are absolutely goosed!

Today’s the first time I’ve watched us defend off the ball when we’re in danger under Mowbray. After watching those two goals conceded today, I’m convinced it’s the way we’re set up to defend. Look back at the build up to both goals- on both occasions, the back line is zonal marking. They’re nowhere near any of the Reading lads, meaning they get free roam and do whatever they want. Everytime they came forward, that was the case though. The back line doesn’t seem be bother picking anyone up, unless it’s a set piece.

In reality though, they are after many years of ownership mismanagement.

Course I’m annoyed. It’s just annoying that people seem to turn up and moan about Mowbray everytime we lose. It’s one defeat and it’s something along the lines of : “I don’t think he’a got it in him to take us back up.” The more annoying thing is, we’re not even meant to be challenging for promotion this season, yet- because of Mowbray’s management- we have been. Raya made a mistake. Raya needs a decent mentor behind him, to improve his decision making. He’s still a young lad and developing though. There are others at fault though too for today’s defeat.

Hilarious how many people seem to turn up moaning as soon as we lose a game, and suggest he’s not up to it ?. Wigan and Rotherham would kill to be in our position right now.

Here comes the Mowbray our brigade.??? First season back in the second tier and we’re still doing well for me. Looking ahead, Raya needs mentoring by someone like Brad Freidel. If he can sort his decision making out, he’ll be a top class keeper. As it is, he’s bang average. He’s at fault for the third. There’s other areas too. For me though, the goalkeeping situation is the priority though.