Many players when looking back at their career have a fairly sketchy memory of games they played but Orr was very flexible with the truth. The Givet Swansea game wasn’t 1-0, it was 3-0. Remember as well that Givet denied refusing to play when it was reported at the time. https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/18/blackburn-gael-givet-refuse-play The Crystal Palace game under Berg was 2-0, not 5-1 as Orr said. We also weren’t top of the league at the time as he claimed we were. Orr also made out that we had just been on an eight game unbeaten run before that Peterborough game. The Shebby stuff is terrible to hear but my opinion of Orr and Kean didn’t really go up whilst listening to the podcast

Would probably need a decent goal difference swing as well. I could see both Sheffield United and Luton ending up on 72 points

Last weekend I met a few mates who support premier league teams (Liverpool, Wolves and Leeds). They don’t pay much attention to the championship but whenever they have glanced at the table they have seen Rovers in the top 6 so were surprised at how much I wanted Mowbray gone. I reckon there’ll be a lot of that amongst fans of other clubs and the media next season if he does go and we start poorly. “Blackburn fans will now be wishing they kept Mowbray”

Cheers for this. The lack of Dack stats confirm what many of us are seeing. He isn’t making loads of mistakes but the games are mainly passing him by

I think the “like for like” made him sign Hedges and Giles instead of a striker as he wanted “wide forwards”, not centre forwards. He ended up just signing non scoring wingers. The wide forwards thing only looks like working when Brereton is one of them.

The big difference for me in the second half of the season is the midfield. Travis, Rothwell and Buckley were an excellent midfield trio before Christmas. Travis has probably gone from the weakest link in that trio to the strongest as the team’s form has dipped. Rothwell has been less dominant since January and Buckley is struggling to have the same impact and although Mowbray and analysts will tell us he was a false 9 when we were on a winning streak, my perception is that his average position was deeper than it has been since January. First half today the defence had to go direct because a central midfielder was not giving a viable alternative. Buckley and Rothwell’s decline has also led to us not pressing as effectively

Yes but although Mowbray shouldn’t have lasted as long as he has, he lasted longer than all those managers because he was doing a better job then they did

I don’t want to come across as sticking up for Mowbray but why did you continue to go under Kean and Coyle but not now?

Yes. I’ve only been following the team since 1992 but Harford, Kidd, Ince, Kean, Appleton, Coyle were all definitely worse. Mowbray does however need to go. Remember January/February time when he was linked with the vacant Ipswich and WBA jobs? I don’t know how serious the links were but how perfect would it have been for them to have paid us a little compensation back then and us to have been forced to get a new manager in for the last 3/4 months who couldn’t have done any worse?

Apart from Warburton

There were quite a few occasions where both Diaz and Dack were looking along the line and screaming for the ball as if they didn’t understand they were offside

That’s my whole point though. If he is such a standout performer, I don’t want him suspended for Millwall and Bristol City

I think we need to rest Travis against Fulham. One yellow card away from a two match ban and I would say he’s highly likely to pick up a booking against that Fulham midfield

Am I the only one who thinks there is something not quite right about this Markanday injury? Feel like he was never going to be ready until next season but we wanted to make a big deal out of giving him his debut and have then made up an injury. Maybe I’m still stuck in the Kean days mentally

I thought Dolan and Gallagher both weren’t great second half and was calling for Butterworth or Khedra to come on for one of them with 20mins to go.

I’d rather have Rothwell putting himself in the shop window all season to leave on a free at the end of the season than sell him on the cheap.

I don’t want to turn this into a Brereton thread but he really did in my opinion show very little potential in his first 2 years here. I would have bitten a team’s hand off if they offered £1million for him in the summer. I am flabbergasted and delighted with how well he’s playing this season despite him not being that influential today. I always had more time for Gallagher because he was a good player in a poor team under Coyle.

Any good stories from last night?

Raya also let in a header from outside the area in their defeat to Birmingham on day 1. The mistake wasn’t getting rid of Raya, it was getting rid without having a suitable replacement lined up

On the way back now. I thought the obvious weak link during an excellent first half hour was Bell so was quite excited about the future safe in the knowledge Cunningham will probably take his place. For the second week in a row though, Mowbray’s subs gave us less chance of getting anything out of the game. Why move Dack deeper when he is the one most likely to score?

Yeah, that’s part of the reason he may want a left back so that Williams only ever has to play centre back.

The way we finished was strange. Definitely seemed a 4-3-3 with Dack in the middle of a front 3, Graham on the left of it and Gallagher on the right of it.

Whenever anyone who featured for Rovers in the Noughties is on ths show they always put Tugay in their eleven, no matter how many good players they’ve played with. The presenters used to get quite shocked at some of the players omitted so that Tugay could be in the team.

Derby and Wigan are the games where we gifted the most chances to the opposition in my mind and really did defend terribly throughout. A big part of defending is obviously being switched on for the whole game and we have been punished because we haven’t been but we haven’t been conceding chances every time the opposition attack like I can remember under Kean, Coyle and at times Hodgson. I notice Lenihan for example make a lot of good defensive interventions during games before he inevitably switches off and costs us points.

I’ve been thinking more about how the team has defended this season. Mowbray is right when he says they didn’t loook like conceding until they did today. The worst I can remember our defence was under Coyle and back then we conceded so many clear cut chances throughout games. We would only win or draw games if the opposition missed loads of those chances. Despite agreeing that a new centre back and left back should be a priority, we have actually defended quite well as a team at times this season. However, mistakes are being more punished than our previous seasons in the Championship and we lack on pitch leaders to stop another mistake quickly following.