You're confident if you expect Tony to know his best side anytime soon. Seeing a side where everyone is playing in their best position will do for a start. Agree about Rothwell, does Tony? We celebrate the win but we know it could have been so much better.

He can ping that ball around alright! Very cultured performance for the first 45 mins. TM got this one right on this evidence so Sunderland fans can just suck it up!

All I know is that we started the season knowing we needed another striker because Graham's getting on and can't play 2 games in a week and we are are still in that same position after spending 7M!! How daft is that?

Yes,fooballers are renowned for their gratitude!

We played them of the park for the first 20 minutes, they couldn't get a sniff of the ball and all he play was in their half! Then we scored! Absolutely ludicrous that it all starts to go wrong when we take the lead!

One's called Thompson, can't remember the other.

Brentford have a couple of superb centre-backs,both 20 years old. and look real class. They won't be there long. A bit more cultured than our two you mentioned though!

It all too often happens though so you wonder if it is the plan. The selections and substitutions often seem part of that same plan.

A win at Wigan and I'm a happy man---2 demons exorcised in one season!

Yes Saxo, it has been mentioned.

Leeds looking dodgy, best 2 chances of the game to Brentford. Very impressed by the speed of their counter-attacking.

If TM knew we had roughly 9M to spend at the start of the window and he chose to spend 7M of it on Brereton as a future prospect then it absolutely beggars belief.

Wonder if he'll go for Freeman to make it 9? Agree with everything you say, in fact have said it often!

Chaddy, can you please spend less time telling us what you think Mowbray or Waggot or anyone else at Rovers said or thinks? Its increasingly annoying.

I said at the time (and was criticised for it) that it was odd that no other club seemed to have any interest in him at all. I worry they were right.

But we were speculating that this would be the case even before the team was announced. TM is just too cautious and he's a bit long in the tooth to change now. Need to lower our expectations I think.

The way we chased him for weeks and weeks and the price we paid, I thought he was some wunderkind. I honestly can't see what TM sees in him. Would a kid from our under-23's have done any worse? OK, he's had limited opportunities, but it looks like that's because we daren't give him anymore time on the pitch. Really disappointed.

Its funny, we would have had no chance of the summer signings joining us last season when we were in Div 1 but now we are in a higher league the Div 1 players start and the signings are left out.

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Venkys wil be a little discouraged.

And to me. That team is akin to parking the bus. What's the point of signing creative mid-fielders if we won't pick them? Are we are more concerned with identifying opposition weaknesses and countering them than identifying our own strengths and playing to them?

It was the Premiership though, over half of them. Interestingly not your Chelseas or Manures but those in the bottom half. Can't disagree with your last comment. There should be an unconditional, fixed maximum charge for away fans, given all the cost and trouble getting there and in. Provides atmosphere without which football is dead. Its not fans who run the show though.

A season ticket should never be undercut at seasonal pro-rata rate but everything else should be on the table. No evidence though that Rovers think there is anything wrong with the pricing. Must be the fan's fault.

No---it would not!

You asked for any evidence that vaping was harmful. I gave you some. You then challenge me to ban coffee! Its an old tactic used by people who are quite committed to something irrespective of any evidence. Of course I don't want to ban coffee.I don't want to ban alcohol, I don't even want to ban vaping!