It's just basic stuff though easy to coach into the team i believe they set out to win and thought that was the best way to go about it. I certainly think though it was more about developing certain players than aiming for promotion just as i believe the plan was sell Dack. Then get the best out of Armstrong then sell him, the BB and maybe even Gally they were after setting up a conveyor belt. I think Mowbray talked about that at one point that's why big money was invested in those positions whilst others were neglected. Nothing wrong with that approach for a club like us but you can't be telling fans you want top six and the owners want the club back in the Prem when that isn't really the priority. Two factors went against it though, Dacks injury and the fact or realization that it was about recouping running costs. Never about reinvesting across the team to go for the top 6. That wasn't the managements fault but imo they were more than happy to go along with it as long as they could.

An actual striker playing in strikers positions and getting goals and assists. Hopefully it'll catch on.

Yes when Dack was in his pomp play ended up being tailored almost exclusively for him, same when Armstrong came to the fore in Dacks absence. It's getting the best out of your best player of course and it's putting value in them. It's often detrimental to other good players who just get shoehorned in and can hold the team back as a whole. I often felt the idea was all about growing a valuable striker to sell taking priority over trying to make a team for promotion.

That worries me a bit.

I don't have an issue with how JDT is managing the workload pre season it's a new approach so lets go with it. I just hope he knows what he's in for with the Championship.

Don't be so hard on yourself pettle.

They know who they are and they take it on the chin in the manner it's meant to be. Opinions on things tend to differ you see, besides how do you know they don't dig me out ? As for creating division i think i rank mid table at best on that score on here, you on the other hand in the Mowbray years (hes gone have you got over it yet ?) were thoroughly Premier league in that dept.

I suspect the one year deal is down to him rather than Wigan or maybe it is them paying him a proper wage but not wanting to commit any longer in case they go down again. Agree on the ambition as surely for them it's just to stay up that's why they've pushed the boat out to get him. I don't buy into this idea hes signed there for shirt buttons either. Probably his lunatic agents thinking we'll milk these for a year then move somewhere else and do it again. He'll end up in the French 2nd tier if he's not careful.

Blackburn Rovers don't come out of the Nyambe situation well at all despite Waggots minions on here blaming it all on the player. Nyambe doesn't come up smelling of roses either he's obviously a mercenary now controlled by others, he doesn't come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer.

A player like Gallagher in today's market and sat on a nice contract won't be going anywhere for 5 mill. I'd say we are well within range to ask the smog for double that.

Whilst there is some truth in that lets also not rewrite history to suit defense of the former manager. He spent 15 million on forwards in a relatively short space of time and not a bean on defenders as i recall. I'm not having a long drawn out debate going over old ground but his lack of defensive buys led to hiw own famous quote 'defenders are coming'. He'd been here several years at that point and signed a raft of the players. The biggest problem was he'd hampered himself and the team by extending contracts of his league one side. These are just plain facts.

Building a back line with permanent players is where every competent manager/head coach lays his foundations. Mowbray did everything arse about face. Next season could see an entire back line of our own players which gives us something to build on for the future.

Imagine getting in more for Gallagher than BBD 🤣

Where does it suggest it's a forced 'restriction' ? Forced as in the new guys haven't come up with anything so they have to go back to the previous guys targets. As for your other point managers, head coaches go into clubs all the time closely followed by a few of their own signings. It's a norm, it's a given the only reason it's likely not happening here is down to this club not the new gaffer.

Lambert was a rarity under the Rao ownership model as he actually replaced our best sold striker with a better one, with NO transfer fee. Now we have a new regime in forced to look at players drawn up by the EX manager. That's progress for you Venky style.

Many people have met Alan Nixon and said he's a nice guy happy to chat off record etc. Nobody knows what's true and what isn't but we do know that on the record 75% of his stuff never comes true and a lot of it is made up. That's his job he's a spin doctor so just apply the same principles to Waggot as at the end of the day his job is to spin and shield the club and others in it from further probing. No need to look any further than the bumbling interview after the training ground stuff had been rumbled. It was Boris Johnsonesqe.

We regularly get used by them through their chief stooge Nixon to flush out interest elsewhere.

Not really because how long did it take them to set up the Euro scouting network ? Finally got it in place just as they knew Brexit would alter it. And what about this technical modern scouting system Mowbray blagged the owners into funding ? The one where they were installing screens in officeces and hiring people to watch players on them and draw up reports ? What happened to all that and what did it turn up ?

Just keeping you on your toes 🙂

Like i said before one whiff of Swaggos special coffee and even those trained to interrogate fall under his spell.

No disrespect but i'm not sure why i keep seeing this pop up it's irrelevant right now. There'll be a small budget in place but they can't seem to find anybody they want that fits into it. If BBD is sold at any point from now on only his wages will be made available which probaly aren't that much. Any money for him will probably just go into balancing next seasons books. Whatever gets paid up front will disappear instantly into running costs as usual as will future payments. We might then get a few million available from it in next seasons budget but if the owners cut their input by the same amount there will be no headroom. That's how it works here now when they are using the FFP excuses...sorry guidelines.

It also shouldn't be a pen pushing corporate suit CEO's place to decide on the likes of Lenihen that's for the football people to decide. Either he's trying to squirm out of him leaving or he was the one non too keen on giving him bigger offers when they should have done, 12 months ago.

Lack of investment will eventually only lead one way. I include not retaining good players or being in a position to sell for the best fee as lack of investment also because that is what a lot of it boils down to. JDT has a huge task on his hands with this so called project.

Only a Wigan fan could have winning league 1 down as a bigger achivement than finishing 8th in the Championship. When trying to justify why a player would choose to go there over staying at Rovers.

But the pathway is there now whereas it wouldn't be if they'd re-signed Ryan for 3 years on ten grand a week. I don't agree with it you should retain your best players and build a team and system around those but that's not how it works here.