Cirino hasn't played this season to the best of my knowledge. I wouldn't last the concession of so many goals at the door of the centre halves to be fair. Mistakes and carelessness all over the pitch have put us on the back foot far too many times. Atcheson is only 17 and strictly speaking should still be with the under 18's and he didn't play last night. Last night we had a 15, 16 and two 17 year olds playing so patience is required. I'm not certain of the ages of some of the others but it wouldn't surprise me if a few more were of a similar age.

Another defeat for our youngsters who in many ways were the architects of their own downfall. Too many unenforced errors gave PSV plenty of chances although I didn't really think they were much better than us. I thought Batty looked better in a midfield role and had some good moments alongside some others who were decent. Unfortunately these were outnumbered by players who never got anywhere near their normal standards. In mitigation we fielded a really young team and hopefully the younger ones in the group will have learnt something by playing against better players than they are used to.

I really hope you get the news you are praying for mate. Your positivity seems like a real strength for you.

And further to JHRovers post I have the emails between me and him which pretty much show he was never really interested in a reciprocal agreement with Leeds. I can forward these if they are of use to anyone who has dialogue with him either publicly or privately.

Fully understand. Thanks for letting me know.

Can I ask why my reply to the North End fan was deleted when I was within my rights to respond to his accusation of racism. If it was because I called him a p**** fair enough but if not that is out of order when I reacted to his nasty, completely untrue post.

I have a series of emails between myself and Waggott on the very subject of a reciprocal agreement with Leeds. I suggested giving travelling Rovers fans a discount so he can still charge Leeds fans full price and whilst he didn't say no outright reading between the lines he won't. The quote below from one of his replies says my proposal doesn't take into account Rovers fans who don't go to away games and will have to pay the same as Leeds fans. And then he does exactly that (unless he comes up with a package). Not against reciprocal agreements at all as I was one of the Twenty Plenty campaign many years ago !! I will work alongside any club to maintain a sensible ticket price so let's see how things develop with Championship clubs this season. Your proposal is interesting but by giving travelling fans discount at Leeds does not address those home supporters who do not / cannot attend away games and who will have to pay the same price as the Leeds supporters. Regards

The game has been and gone but yet you scour local media and the like to post Rovers fans opinions. If I didn't know better I would think you are trying to mix us a bottle on here and an element of gloating too.

Do you stalk media outlets as well as social media to garner Rovers fans opinions? If you don't mind me saying so it's strange behaviour.

You get what you pay for and quality doesn't come cheap. Both Ennis and Telalavic were both gambles which may yet pay off.

The problem is that type of player costs money and we don't have any. I really don't think we could have signed a player who could get straight into the team for the reputed £200k they both cost us.

It's good to hear that your spirits are high mate. Keep scrapping.

The numbers were always going to be down this season after losing Blackpool, Wigan and that lot down the road. In the eight away matches so far we have played at Plymouth, Ipswich, QPR, Millwall (night match), Watford (noon), Norwich (noon) and Coventry in a night match. Our nearest game was the 160 mile round trip to Rotherham. Anybody who has been to all/most of them would be getting much change out of £1k.

Although we didn't play well we should have won given the number of presentable chances we missed (sounds familiar doesn't it) including a penalty miss by Gilsenan. Although Leonard scored an earlier penalty he should have scored a couple more and although his movement to find space and running in behind is good it's clear he needs more work on his finishing. There were three penalties in total and Sheffield United missed theirs and to be fair they also missed some decent chances. I think the point is coming where decisions will need to be made on some of the squad and in truth I don't think many of them will make it here. Batty was sent off for two yellow cards but I couldn't tell what the first one was for. His second was a rash challenge and deserved.

A very good, rational post.

I honestly don't know what some fans expect. I'm sure I saw we are the lowest spending Championship club over the summer which in itself is credit to how much Tomasson is getting from his players.

The squad would have been strengthened massively had those injured players been available. How many first team appearances did the bench have in total between them? I'd hazard a guess at less than thirty.

I think the majority on here understand why we have regressed under these owners and are extremely unlikely to progress. Which is one of the reasons I appreciate what Tomasson is trying to do here with meagre resources. Missing the playoffs in goal difference was a terrific achievement last season. Supporters angst should be directed at those horrible Indians, not a manager who is, if anything over achieving.

For last night's match we were missing Pears, JRC, Hyam, Carter, Pickering, Hedges and Gallagher. That's seven players who would all potentially have started last night. If you take seven key players out of any squad it will have a massive effect.

If you are referring to the corner routine I agree. I'm not really sure on the 'trying stuff' you refer to where you say we have a record of failure. We have just won four of our last five league games before last night and competed physically at Millwall to come from behind and win. We are playing some of the best football we have played since the Souness and Hughes days and Tomasson is the guy who is behind it and doing it with one arm tied behind his back. Of course he gets things wrong but some of the things said last night were ridiculous and a couple I saw were hinting that he should be sacked.

I thought he was poor and missed at least four more yellow cards (one to Dolan) but more worrying was his lack of empathy and understanding of the game. Preston are renowned for the way they play on the margins but he allowed them too. How many times was Adam Wharton fouled? Invariably it was a different player doing it but it was a deliberate tactic to stop our most creative player. Their left back committed at least six fouls and should have been cautioned for persistent infringement. There were also quite a few tactical fouls that went unpunished.

He is and that's great but he isn't an out and out striker. If we had someone who could match his tally by finishing some of our approach play off we would be pushing right at the top end of the table. Missing good chances cost us dearly last season and I'll wager now it will this season.

It's more of a question of Tomasson is prepared to be patient in all honesty. I can see what he is trying to do and I am fully on board and supportive. The stumbling block lies several thousand miles away.

What a strange reply.

I'm beginning to think that some posters get a kick out of us losing then they can come on here and slaughter our own players and manager. I can accept criticism when it's justified. I really do wonder what some people see sometimes. It's really weird.