Im not saying they micromanage everything, as you say they clearly dont care. But they clearly have only one objective, to cut costs. Why though do you focus and place the blame solely on Waggott and not Suhail, if that is your line of thinking?

What power struggle? Between him and Suhail who is still here and doesnt communicate with the (I will use your favourite word) stakeholders at all. Sufi is another incompetent arse kisser getting jobs he is out of his depth in as a result. Run the club properly and you wont need to "communicate with your stakeholders" as no one will care.

You think hes managed 7 years under Venkys reign just doing whatever he wants? I look forward to how well we will now be run now this one bad apple has been removed. I dont get why youve always been keen to pin everything on him and deflect away from the real source. You even put driving away managers specifically on him before. That was happening before he even turned up. Its great news that hes gone in isolation but it will make little to no difference with the main problem still here.

Because hes done exactly what they have wanted. Your post reads almost as if Suhail has just become a scapegoat of Waggott's.

I agree that Champions League teams shouldnt drop into the Europa League. But the quality of the Europa League is undoubtedly weaker as a result. You are fixated with the idea of just backing any manager ever, aside from Ismael. A manager only warrants backing if he shows enough to justify that time and those resources. There have been absolutely no signs whatsoever that anything is building under Amorim. His record is worse that Steve Kean, they are 16th in the league. He is stubbornly sticking to a style and formation that doesnt suit the majority of his squad, why that is a positive trait im none the wiser. Im glad they are keeping him because its funny, but he certainly hasnt done enough to warrant millions to spend and another season. Its not like either Spurs or United have slightly underachieved. Its hard to even fathom quite how dreadful they have both been, 16th and 17th in the table, both on less than 40 points with a game to go. On what planet that warrants more time and a big transfer kitty, I do not know. Lets hope they both keep their managers and their woeful form continues into next season because it is certainly very funny.

The poor communication isnt the main worry. Its the continued dreadful running of the club. Will that noticeably change now he has gone? Do you think the club can run normally now with Venkys still here and Suhail/Gestede/Sufi still here? He actually does at least communicate, as bad as he is. Thats how you got that list of staff members you wanted. Suhail the snake hides in the background. Its a continious power struggle at this club, hired goons trying to have their say under the stewardship of negligent cretinous owners. Be surprised if Gestede doesnt get another unwarranted promotion.

It was a strange build up because both managers have performed so consistently badly that I dont think that a European trophy would make either warrant another season in charge. Its not as if they have had a disappointing season where they have finished 8th/9th/10th where a trophy can sort of excuse it, they have been shambolic. The Europa League has also been of a much poorer standard without the Champions League drop outs. Even with a trophy, I dont see how those clubs can finish where they are and convince the higher ups that they are building something. Amorim doesnt seem to be under any pressure, obviously hes different in that he hasnt had the full season but they were 4 points off the Champions League places when he joined. I dont know if these are 100% true but he has apparently won 9 points in 5 months and has a points per game record of 0.02 per game more than Steve Kean! Hes stubbornly stuck to a system that clearly isnt working and there have been no signs of any improvement whatsoever.

Its Venkys that continue to downsize our club. With Suhail being their main man on the ground.

Do you genuinely think that this will happen, and that he as opposed to Venkys and Suhail is the common denominator preventing any ambition and reasonable standards from happening at this club? Do you see anything changing if say Gestede presumably takes his role?

Great statement from the coalition. Demanding reasons why he has suddenly gone, demanding experience knowing Gestede will slip into that role, seeing through the timing after the womens announcement and again calling out Suhail. Thinking 2 steps ahead.

That was my thought too. A lot of those cant possibly just be blamed on him alone. Was he the reason they were forced out?

Fantastic in isolation to get rid of such a waste of space. But I cant see much changing. Venkys are and have always been the problem, as others have said its just shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic while they stay. It will also inevitably lead to incompetent kiss arses like Gestede and Sufi moving up the chain.

Never refuse to sign a cheque. Venkys out.

Elliott Jackson has done a bit of a spin aarticle saying how ruthless we have been with that retained list. Have we? We have given Hedges a new deal as its easy and cheap. We have given Weimann who is old and injured a contract offer, obviously Batth is a no brainer so that only leaves Forshaw who even then, and as he admits, we may revisit that one.

Obviously he will be bigged up in the media. But is there really much more to come from him? Hes about to turn 30 so its not as if he is a raw prospect. Hes never been someone who offers much going forward and that minimal offering seems if anything to be declining, and off the back of 2 serious hamstring injuries and now an ankle injury, its not really that surprising. We will probably end up bringing in another underwhelming wide man, most likely a kid on loan, Hedges will remain first choice until next summer and then this situation will play itself out again.

Very strange appointment. Was shit at Norwich.

Great post. Plus there are numerous players who have played a decent amount at this level, including for us (Lowe isnt the only one) who have done so whilst not necessarily warranting it.

Hatred? Dont be a child. I just am not keen on substandard players playing for the club. It comes down to standards. We have had years of cost cutting so we havent had much choice but to play him. Everyone has been calling for us to sign pacy wingers for ages and our constant inability to do that has made those calls a running joke. Plus managers can make wrong decisions. Jason Lowe must have been a good Championship midfielder considering how he kept getting picked.

That doesnt really make sense. Any potential fee would have minimal anyway and you then risk him staying or having to subsidise his wage, if he even would have considered a new deal.

You know you are scraping the barrel when he has scored only one and assisted only two, that you are trying to make him seem like a good attacking player by highlighting simple passes well before the actual goal was scored.

Have we been ruthless? Id argue ruthless would have been getting shut of Hedges and also on the back of his age and current injury status, not offering Weimann another year.

We arent a serious club anymore.

Not suitably impressed by him running a bit and passing the ball wide in the build up to a goal? Its just chronically low standards that sadly weve naturally got now whereby we look at an attacking player who is so poor in attacking positions and give him a new deal because its cheaper to do, its easier to do and we fear getting someone even less effective.

Forshaw sadly screams sign half way through pre season unfit because weve got no one in with the way thats worded. Hedges as mentioned, stupid to extend. Love chaddy gloating about Markanday as if the message is, see we are a serious club.

Markanday is certainly not an exciting winger. Well, unless you ask rigger.