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@Vinjay you not agree with this?

Ismael signed up for the project. If they change him then Suhail & Rudy have to indoctrinate a new guy…too much like hard work that, so keep the current guy.

I’ve heard it said on a number of podcasts that loan deals are often structured around the fee being determined by appearances made - so more games, lower loan fee paid. Rovers will no doubt be balancing that given the urge to cut costs everywhere…

Thanks chaps and to Frosty in particular (very handy site that). I was interested in what the league as a whole defines as a firing level of incompetence and how VI compares. These were the points when Championship managers were fired compared to us at the same time. Watford had 5 more points yet they still fired Pezzolano Swansea had 1 more Yet they still fired Sheehan Leicester have 11 more than us now and they fire Cifuentes Southampton had 1 less than us when they fired Still, so virtually level pegging Norwich had 7 less than us, so Manning deserved it! Seems we don't hold our manager to the same level scrutiny. Other boards look to have more of an idea as to how to manage a club - especially when you see they are all ahead of us now.

Weirdly, I have a gut feeling that we are going to win. They weren't any better than us in the cup and I believe that'll be the motivation to drag a result over the line. Yes. I know it won't REALLY happen but I am trying to focus on the wise words of the legendary Kriss Akabusi - PMA. Positive, Mental. Attitude. Therefore, Rovers 4-0 Hull City.

I think this lot - Pasha and Gestede - are arrogant They have seen what Waggott and Mowbray were doing, and to a lesser degree JDT and Broughton, and think they can do as well if not better than them on a lower budget. I think this arrogance continues today - a refusal to backtrack or make changes despite it leading us into the bottom 3, a refusal to seek a change of manager or change in transfer approach. I think they think that we genuinely are in a 'false position' based on injuries/back luck/statistics and that we will eventually get enough to get us over the line and they'll get a pat on the back from the money people running the show at the other end. As you say - this is playing Russian Roulette with the club and its future. If it works then they get another year on the gravy train, a bonus and they can argue it was worth getting rid of Broughton, Eustace, Waggott and all those players because we've still got Championship income and significantly reduced costs whilst bringing in millions from sales. But if it doesn't - and I don't think it will - we go down and there's another £10 million gap in the finances to plug. I don't think the owners or stooges will have seriously thought about this

I dont know if it's true or not. I've always thought it's more likely with these things that rather than a written agreement that "player X will play a minimum 80 minutes every week" etc there more of a general understanding that said player will get a good amount of games time every week or any privileges will be withdrawn etc. Im not in favour of either. The fact Cashin was brought straight back in after just one game out does nothing to persuade me that something fishy isnt going on frankly.

I think its the wrong way round to suggest almost as if the stooges have convinced Venkys to cut back like we have. Venkys have no interest in the club. Ive no doubt that Suhail and Gestede are happy to oblige as is clear. Championship clubs lose money because wages are so high and more often than not outstrip all income before considering other cost. Wages would massively come down further if we went down. But again, I am not convinced thats the aim, just an inevitable symptom.

Don’t forget ‘bovine tremblers’

So they just cut playing costs accordingly. In my opinion they couldn’t care one way or another as long as they don’t have to pay a £1 more than they need to.

Presuming all people that bought tickets and had season tickets attended those games 😉

People are free to use the other forum as they wish, I’m not their boss. But using that platform to slag people off from here, when they’ve no right of reply is the bit I’m not comfortable with.

Maybe swap Diamini and Powell around ?

If we're the only suitor for him maybe. If not and If we're going down, (which I think we are) what's the point in him moving unless we're a better long term prospect? (eg Derby v Rovers) Im not even sure we're that at the moment either. All likely to be hypothetical debate anyway as we won't pay the fee for him.

That was what I was asking, it just seems like one of those rumours that is put out there, then 6 pages later becomes fact. it may well be true, having said that, for me lit's only really a problem if he doesn't earn his place

I don't think so, get a better wage and play at a higher level for a few months, and put yourself in the shop window even more. At best we stay up and he either moves on after impressing or he has another season with us to show what he can do at this level. At worst, he ends up back at the level he was playing on anyway, for more money I presume. If Barnsley were in the running to go up, then maybe it wouldn't be worth the risk. I suspect other clubs will be in for him this week anyway so it won't matter.

It seems that way. Joseph on the bench for when that proves to be ineffective Michalski Houghton Carter Pratt Batty Vare Garrett Doherty Powell Dlamini Tyjon

I think it's more likely that the owners don't WANT to be relegated but that Pasha and Gestede (and Waggott when he was still here) pitched them this masterplan about how they could reduce the age of the squad with a view to selling players on, save a shitload of costs in terms of wages and STILL retain Championship status! (Cue £ signs!) In short the stooges have played Russian roulette with our Championship future and probably failed. The live bullet is about to go off. I still dont think either that anyone has accounted properly for the loss of Championship TV Revenue if we go down plus all the other associated loss of revenue. The net position will be we'll be a lot worse off.

Barnsley are 15th in the table in League One. Why wouldn't he come here on higher wages and a new showground before the next step up? So much negativity on here, a lot of it is justified, but c'mon...

There is no chance we get Cleary. But assuming he is a target. As much as he looks a real talent, its another example of us trying to build a squad without a plan. They cant seem to decide on a formation and seem to not strongly consider signing square pegs for square holes.

From the player's perspective it would be an odd and risky move to agree to a permanent offer to move in the hope of moving again in the summer.

The frustration was there for all to see. Been there, done that. He’s probably tired of seeing all the players that they were building a good team around being sold off. He’ll be the first one out of the club in Summer.

This is exactly what I believe to be happening. One can argue whether or not that is truly deliberate but I don't think it matters. As Mark is so keen on pointing out, sporting performance is not the priority here. Reducing overheads supercedes everything, which sadly includes hiring a no mark like Ismail and keeping him in the role despite atrocious performance.

BTBH had Danny Graham and Charlie Mulgrew and guaranteed goals

Presume looking at that line up that Tyjon is playing as the out and out striker?