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We owe players and managers nothing, and vice versa.

Owes the fans alot. Would have shown a backbone and appreciation to the fans. Yes the fans. No I didnt boo him cos he made his decision and we moved on but that's doesn't matter its still annoyed how he left and lied to the fans when the approach was made. Yet he had no problems joining the regime tho

Funnily enough that is also a club basically run by agents. I see a pattern here...

I did see a 135/15 sticker on a street sign on Livesey Branch, maybe the committee stuck it there.

Unfortunately, Val gets away far too easily with his excuses. He’s probably an okay, fairly average manager in some respects, but he also has certain traits that are harder to accept. In the first season, it was an endless lament about the injury situation — something he claimed he had never seen before. Fair enough, there were many injuries, and that’s frustrating. What I find unbearable is that he then goes on with long speeches about how, once he’s had a proper pre-season with his training methods and, not least, signed players with the — according to him — right statistics, things will change. Fast forward a few months, and here we are at the start of November with a weak, thin, and injury-ridden squad. And what does Ismael do? Well, he complains about the injury situation. Not my manager!

I see chaddy is still struggling with comprehending reality as per usual.

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Why would he clap us when the boos are raining down on him. He owes us nothing. He left because he had a backbone and didn't want to work under the regimes parameters should of been applauded off the pitch

As ever, you never happy with the answer. I said I posted my opinion post Derby and I did. I kept my word..TBH, its pointless cos you are never satisfied with the answer.

Well I can cos its a footballing decision for me. Stand by what I said.

We discussed all this when we played Derby last year. Eustace leaving us mid season when chasing a playoff place, lying when he was approach by Derby, taking that Wolves game when he was on his way to Derby. Etc. Even yesterday he could have clapped Rovers fans but ignored us again. Weimann got a couple of chants. Positive ones. As ever you defended him when he left. We discussed this at the time. Round 2? No thanks, utter pointless

Congratulations on your marriage any chance you could pop a photo on of your shirt I'm considering it for the my home shirt

All in that list bar De Neve he's been good of late and a useful tool running at defenders

Yeh, this oft repeated notion that worse quality football is automatically more physical is silly.

He did make the bench

I see taveres is getting a kicking, and I agree from what iv seen don’t think he is good enough but could quite easily say the same about henrikson kargbo gueye de neve id happily sell all of them in January if they were to be replaced by actual championship quality because iv seen enough from them all to know they don’t have it gudjohnson im still on the fence about but really needs to be doing more , its boom or bust at the moment

Didn't feel like we were undone by 3 changes to the side today. It felt like we were undone by careless, amateur transfer business in the summer. Importantly the complete negligence in sanctioning the Hyam sale without a last minute replacement - a player who played all 46 games last season. He should have been under lock and key until another CENTRE BACK came in. If they didn't make it in time, no deal Wrexham... whatever the price. I'm all for selling with 1 year left but they were far too late in the day with their bid. Whoever agreed the decision was sensible and for the good of the club needs firing immediately. The problem is it was likely an agreement between Suhail Pasha, Gestede and Ismael. Idiots the lot of them! They have either severely underestimated the league, miscounted the number of true senior centre-backs or decided to gamble with the future of the club by handing nearly every team in the league an advantage for the first half of the season. It's a farce. Who was Ismael trying to kid at the end of the window that this wasn't an issue? Of course it was going to be and it is already. He's starting Championship games with an attacker at left centre-back. It's insane stuff. Plenty of managers would have their names into other clubs again (Eustace, JDT), MOST WOULD HAVE THREATENED IT ON DEADLINE DAY IF HYAM WENT but he was seemingly part of the plot. Anyone who has watched Rovers enough last past 3 or 4 seasons could have easily predicted that Wharton and Carter would not be around for decent parts of this season. Why would they be? They've got some of the worst injury records in the league. 16 appearances last season for Carter. 0 for Wharton. Zero due to a major injury, a player who struggles to make 25 games a season in a good year and has had multiple career harmful injuries. There's 46 games in a Championship season, sometimes 3 a week....... is our CEO even aware of that? We have a guy called Moussa Baradji at the club to come in and play attacking midfield? Never heard of him. We didn't need him. We needed senior defenders on decent wages! That was clear at the START of the summer. They are asking fans to pay for this. The club is a total circus and it's getting left behind in the division by nearly everyone. Gestede has got to go and whoever else was involved.

Well said.

Womack & Woamck - Teardrops Being cheeky with that one.

Back in my day, basically before these cunts turned up and started destroying everything, there were people who went round the stands with a bag full of them for sale.

The club does nothing well and hasn't done for 15 years. Supporters treated with contempt. I would complain in writing but I complained about the Telegraph ban and haven't had the courtesy of a reply. Shysters, charlatans, chancers with few if any exceptions; they don't belong here. A captive audience, we slavishly still turn up. An abusive relationship.

The worry is aswell, after this international break, thats when the games really do start piling up. We have a small squad with a lack of depth and quality and this is when it will be really tested. I think Ismael (and I have no confidence in him) needs to decide on our main formation, whereby we minimise the need to have to keep changing system or doing weird shit (like Hedges at centre back, one of the strangest decisions I have seen) when someone becomes unavailable. And due to the imbalanced, poor squad, its about picking the one that has the least glaring weaknesses. I think that has to be 4231. The back 3 has clearly had merit as a short term approach but a bit of unavailability throws it into chaos. If we go to a back 4, I think our best back 4 is Alebiosu, Carter, McLoughlin and Pickering (judgement call at LB) which itself isnt great. It brings the left backs back into the equation and it at least means that we have one player to cover the 2 centre backs and Alebiosu in Miller, especially as Carter is made of glass. If we carry on playing as we are, any minute that any of Carter, McLoughlin, Miller or Alebiosu are unavailable, he will have to come up with strange alternatives to keep a back 3 intact. It would leave us light out wide, but it also provides us with an alternative up front. I dont like going into games knowing that there isnt a striker on the bench that isnt a total shambles and a laughing stock, its not healthy. Ohashi is better than Gudjohnsen but neither is anything stand out in the division, so it also gives you the possibility of swapping on form and not having to keep flogging both.

good,i hope they all end up in prison for fraud or go bankrupt and get shoved in the black hole of calcutta

Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart

Where was “135/15” today?