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That's something I've been thinking about recently and I'm not sure that matters are as straightforward as that statement assumes. We were all convinced that there was a 'power behind the throne' with Venkys purchase. 'They' haven't gone away just dropped out of sight. Meaning that they'll still be involved in lining up the next bunch of schmucks when the time to change ownership comes around. The rumours from the start were that Venkys were innocent naive patsies with a darker power pulling the levers in the background, if true 'they' won't be going away anytime soon. So a change of ownership is to be wished for? Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose! I think things are far more broken than we assume.

I hope O'Riordan kicks on in this loan spell. I saw on Facebook that he has had a good start to this loan spell, so could he (finally) be a Wharton / Carter who comes back ready?

What will you do with your spare time now @wilsdenrover? 😁 I am genuinely thankful for your efforts on this whole thing, really appreciated, especially as you took the time to explain things out to halfwits like me!

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Darwen is decent if if you keep ypur eyes front. 🥊🥊 Miss old blackburn nightlife and the town on a Saturday in general. Used to go into town every Saturday for odd bits and bobs and didn't cost an arm and a leg. Town on a Saturday morning was a social time aswell people in shops you knew (auntie 'x' because it was ypur mums friend) Happy people with a buzz about the place and the number one rule GO IN TOWN EARLY BECAUSE ROVERS ARE PLAYING TODAY. was on everyone's lips. Now you wait a matter of 5 mins to get through Ewood on a match day.

The window would have gone exactly the same whether they had to pay a bond or not.

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@Mike Graham you ever tried to engage new owners yourself? That might come across as pedantic in text but it’s a genuine question.

Can we get local media on this - they will undoubtedly have no idea....

Will you please stop being so logical.

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As much as it might stick in our throat PKE would be a good sensible investment for the right people, maybe even a Rusian roulette hedge fund like the other lot. Small well maintained up to date stadium, no expensive academy or training complex to fund, probably minimal external debt, enough crowd potential to fill their shoe box, modestly famous ancient name to trade on. And owners who wouldn't want 100 million back.

If we can afford to pay more be critical of the fact we’re not willing to. If we can’t afford to pay more be critical of what’s lead to this. Neither position, in my opinion, is defendable.

seconded, a wonderful job indeed Wilsden 🙂

Also some seem to like to throw the entire club wage bill or annual losses into the first team squad wage bill instead of the other way around.

I think you’ve outlined perfectly the difference between a wage budget and a wage structure. The first is a very arbitrary limit, the second is more fluid and would have reasoning behind why a player is in a certain range and what’s necessary for him to move into a further one. If these are clearly conveyed to the players they then can’t be in any doubt as to what they need to do to achieve a pay rise. The club should also be keeping an eye on other clubs’ pay structures so what we offer can be adjusted to remain as competitive as possible.

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Just to add my thanks to wilsdenrover for his diligence in keeping us up to date with the happenings in India. And also to add you must have the patience of a saint. 😇

Chaddy has previously said we should offer key players £15,000 a week. The suggestion is made that our new wage limit is £10,000 a week. Logically point 1 should lead to him being critical of point 2. Apparently not…

You can have a wage structure that's fine that's understandable and i think we've had one since TM and Venus introduced one alongside Waggot. But rather than hard line it seemed more about ballpark figures where as long as you had a few on low wages the top end could be stretched for the odd player. Now its been mentioned that they just want 3 brackets of c1-3k, 5-7k, 7-10k but whatever your structure it's also about how you move people around within it. A player like Dolan for example (just using his name not exact figures) who has amassed over 100 appearances and become a mostly first choice starter on the bottom end of the wage bracket is entitled to expect to jump to the top bracket not just go up to the next bracket and get a 2 year deal with a years option. That seems to be an issue here.

No apology needed 🙂 You were just being nice, and the comment was appreciated nonetheless

You are just making up random figures and suggesting that players are wanting wage structure shattering amounts based on nothing, purely to defend the club. The concept of a wage structure does not invalidate the point that it is extremely damaging to be in a position where we cant keep any of our main players on new deals. It depends what that wage structure is and the ceiling to ours is clearly not competitive enough. You keep saying fixating because you are underappreciating the fact that as expected, the issue has totally undermined the whole summer window. The overhaul has been more than anyone including the manager would have wanted because instead of topping up a solid core of players with a few additions, we have had to blow apart that core and replace it with cheaper replacements from abroad, all at the same time. Your last jibe is just totally out of context and is not specific to our club. If the TV money for everyone goes up, and wages across the board go up, yet ours keep going down, that doesnt keep us competitive.

Granted. But if you wage bill 20m for the season that's £384k a week.

Just got it from the court case thread and wasn't sure if it had been mentioned here. @wilsdenrover is the one who has been brilliant in keeping tabs on what's been happening with these billion adjournments and caught that this part of things had been resolved. I don't think their court case will affect us anymore, but if I were Venkys my next move would be to get some of that money they've put up for the bond back. Basically the need for more bonds is over because the amount they've paid into bonds already considerably exceeds the maximum fine payable as a result of the case. I think we are talking either 7.7 mill or 8.8 million quid in fines (currency conversions seem to have slight discrepancies) and I think it was something like 25 or 30 million already paid in bonds, but the proper numbers are all in that thread. I expect they'll want that difference back, and then to not pay or minimise the fine, but ultimately I don't think we have to give a shit about that anymore, and thus it's probably be more gratifying for most of us if they suffer as much financially as possible. Some would argue freeing up their constraints on funding us is a bad thing in the long game anyway.