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I think what he really meant was, that free transfers such as Liam Cooper, will want wages and we aren't prepared to pay them.

Of course luck plays a part though, moreso in international football. Southgate did benefit from some favourable draws that did not come as a direct result of anything he had done. Equally, I think Ismael is a poor manager. But he was unfortunate to see weather conditions call a game off because that was out of his control.

My issue is with the idea that it PROVES anything. Those stats do not PROVE that Anderson is the best midfielder in the league or that he should play next to Rice. They can be used as part of an opinion but they are often used conclusively as if a player is factually better. They are also often hand picked to suit a narrative. Stats are useful, Ive never denied that. But there are limitations to their use. There are grey areas in how they are measured. And they are often wrongly manipulated. I never said that there are MORE grey areas with stats. But someone saying x player is good/bad/better than y wouldnt be treated as if its objectively the case, it would be seen as what it is, an opinion, when you throw pre selected metrics in the mix people often seem to think that it objectively proves whatever conclusion they personally have come to. We have seen at Rovers that we seem to have gone down a more data driven route of selecting players and some right shite has come as a result. Obviously those metrics become even looser when you cant possibly objectify differences in standards of leagues.

Its not leaping to Waggott's defence. But historically you have regularly diverted blame away from the owners.

Don't know about anyone else but we've been struggling getting on to buy. Daughter rang up and sorted it over the phone this morning, don't know the problem yet but we did want 9 together.

Only the two small blocks at the end to go now.

With a full block and the two small blocks at either end i'd wager about 1500 still to go yet for a full 5.5k. Anyway it'll be a 4/4.5k following at least which is respectable enough and similar to what they've brought here a time or two despite their usual gobbing off. Fact still remains their entire home capacity is only around 15k and they rarely sell all that. And when they do, well guess who the visitors are !

Great effort considering how shit we are, the fact it's televised and the fact it's "only" Preston and not Burnley. It's not quite "just another game" to me but not that far off. It's 1974/75 and Bobby Charlton's comb over flapping in the wind since I got that excited about playing them. I couldnt care less whether we sell 500 or 5,000 tickets as long as we come away with the 3 points.

Luck is the football fans' get out of jail free card, when things don't go as they predicted. Ie, Southgate did better than I predicted, I'll just say he was lucky and that makes it all OK. Strange thing being, I don't actually remember him him having any bad luck, funny that.

I don't really get what you are saying here. If you use statistics to develop a conclusion, then how is that illogical? It comes across as though you don't really know what you are arguing against If you're looking for a player who takes up wide spaces, makes underlapping runs, passes forward more often than not and has a great first touch, then you would score on those metrics. There will be specific statistics which demonstrate that. The human element is both identifying the specific needs and knowing if that player, with those qualities, is what the squad requires You may not think it is a key requirement of playing next to Rice. Does not make Chaddy's conclusion illogical. Just means you disagree. Like my first post mentioned, there were a number of statistics which favoured Wharton - chances created and through balls. But we know this. We know it because we have seen it and, conveniently for this debate, the statistics show he is the best at it And the more you delve into stats the more you will find those nuances you want. You can easily identify a player that makes the most forward passes; from those you can then determine which passes are most effective (goal scoring opportunities, unlocking defences, chances created) I don't know why you think there are more grey areas with statistics than there are with just rational player judgement. The fact is that statistics are objective; your use of those statistics and your ultimate conclusion is what makes it subjective. Trying to pass off statistics as not to be trusted or a 'grey area' really points to a confusion about the role of metrics. As said in my first post - they are really only measuring what you see with your own eyes.

That is correct. Around 900 tickets left out of the full 5500 allocation.

He was a good player, but people putting him on the pedestal of one of the best midfielders of his generation isn't on.

134 appearances in the CL 66 England caps 2x PFA team of the year 11x Premier Leagues 3x Fa Cups 2x CL's 1x Club world cup Come on KSN let's not be daft AW is a serious talent but at this stage isn't better than Paul Scholes.

I presume it’s just the two end blocks as the camera side end block is now on sale and the next to last block on the other side has now been sold.

Please can you stop trolling? Thanks.

…31 in all competitions and scored 16 goals, not bad ay. I’m not saying AW hasn’t the potential, course he does, but ‘much better’, as of now, which is where this debate started, of course he isn’t (just some mischief making going on from quite a strange new poster by the looks of it).

Not diverting away from the owners at all. All the Anderson/Shebby Singh chaos predated Waggott. The fact we were appallingly run was never in doubt. The question was whether anything illegal or sufficiently in breach of FA guidelines had occurred. Rightly or wrongly the Authorities must have decided at the time it hadn't. Why do you always leap to Waggott’s defence?

He made 26 appearances in the prem at 21. 24 the following year. A stretch to call him a regular then and he was often playing further forward than cm. My opinion Wharton better at 21 than scholes was

Why does it always divert away from the owners and to Waggott?

The suggestion was that our initial allocation was circa 3800, and past 'sell outs' have been circa 5500, so probably another 1700 to go at in that end. This would suggest a full block and then the two small end blocks still to go.

I never denied its benefits. I said there is a massive overreliance on it, too much importance is placed on it and it is flawed. Conclusions are reached based solely on them, often illogically. Chaddy said that Anderson is the best midfielder in the league because he was top rated in a hand full of pre selected metrics. He also said that it proves that he should start next to Rice without considering the context of him playing a different role in a different team of different quality. He might be great at "progressive carries" for example but I dont think its a key requirement in the type of player we need next to Rice. You mention xg. A player runs through on goal, takes too long and doesnt get his shot away. Hes had a great chance, its 0 xg. A players pass completion will be better if he keeps things safe and makes no attempt to pass it forward. Forward passes could be 1 yard forward to someone essentially next to them or a defence splitting 30 yard pass. Metrics surrounding chances created will be affected by whether the striker gets a shot away. There are so many grey areas.

See you on deadline day JB

Sheffield Wednesday have just bought in Liam Cooper and said he’s likely to start on the weekend. Kind of flies in the face of VAs comments that free players wouldn’t be fit for 6 weeks plus.

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Looks like there is still a full block at the other end now put on sale. That end actually holds about 5900 so there's no chance it's being full but knowing our lot they won't take anymore if they have to pay for the lot regardless of if they all sell.