And there is Adam Owen who joined Rovers from Hibs and now works closely with Gestede.

Miyoshi came on at half time in his game.

Don't think it's as much any one agent in particular now but given the chance as a collective they'll suck the life blood out of you.

And as if by magic, here it is. Did the agents ever leave? https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/06/Report-Hibs-Dev-Squad-2-2-Dundee-United/

Plenty of connections with just one element of it. Gestede hooking up with Keane and then arriving back at Ewood as a trainee executive. Kean goes to Hibs and we have connections there and do not be too surprised if he is connected to our recent signing, Miller.

I must have been watching a different game. Other than the penalty which the referee got wrong ( and I dont suppose we'll be complaining when we get a soft one) I didn't think he did much wrong at all. Nor did I think it was an overly physical game. It's not a non contact sport yet, at least not in the Championship. Have we turned into a team of whingers like Arsenal under Wenger?

I think the case with Hamer, Souza & Ahmedhodzic is that they are all much better than Championship level, so whilst they may be prepared to give igt 1 year to get promoted, they were always likely to be off if that didn't happen. Personally see O'Hare as being a little below their level, still very good for the Championship, bugt not quite as glaringly playing below his level as the 3 I mentioned above The others they have lost were either loans (Gilchrist, Brereton, Souttar, Rak-Sakyi, Clarke, Holding) or players not from their first 11 (Moore, Brewster) if I recall rightly. Still a huge turnover of players though

Agreed - although in this case it’s the main GBE criteria which has the following issue. The category ‘League Quality of Player’s current club’ doesn’t set out at what date/point this changes in the case of promotion/ relegation. I’m as certain as I can be that whether he plays today or not is irrelevant - I’ve no clue as to whether the game ‘happening’ (ie his club’s season starting) is the trigger for his points reduction.

Nuisance factor being he bullies the CBs, holds the ball up, wins headers and brings others into play? He's clearly not a natural finisher, but if he was he wouldn't be here. Giles would get 15 assists playing with Gueye up top.

I am not saying to never use the throw in. But to specifically play tactics endlessly launching it to Gueye would not lead to any more goals.

But I am specifically saying that you said he was a terrible signing. How do you think he did yesterday? As you seem reluctant to comment.

We said similar yesterday. O'Hare could be another to leave. Sheffield United still have parachute payments coming in which makes selling so many players whilst not spending much seems odd.

The season's a day old and Im already sick to death of highlighting the chronic lack of firepower in the squad. I was starting to think I was living in a parallel universe with many others saying "Nah, we'll be ok., we only play with one striker, so we've got enough, we just need another midfielder who can double up on the RHS and more centre back cover!" Feel somewhat vindicated after yesterday, we were even more toothless than I expected. Actually thought West Brom were pretty poor, a really good side would have put us well and truly to the sword. At least two half decent strikers needed to supplement the likely output from Ohashi and Gueye imo plus a decent RW to replace Dolan. Not even sure if LW is satisfactory either tbh, De Neve looks miles off the required standard (very strange signing) and I still have the same view on Kargbo that I had within the first 30 mins of watching him play that he has pace but negligible end product. The manager worries me greatly. Has assembled a very unbalanced squad and when are we going to see this high intensity pressing football he allegedly favours? Yesterday couldn't have been more slow and pedestrian if you'd tried and whenever we picked up the ball in the opposition half yesterday the ball invariably went sideways and backwards a couple of times. Great in press conferences but on the basis of the 13 competitive games we've seen from him I think we're being sold a pup.

Very underwhelming performance yesterday. Toth...two very dodgy moments but a couple of good saves too. Few thoughts on the new arrivals: Alebiosu...energetic and did okay but his second touch always looks like it might be a tackle. Miller... similar. Looks a bit of a beast but also looks clumsy. De Neve...innocuous. Henriksson...hoped for more. Needs to get up to speed but he's only been with us for a couple of days. McLoughlin...steady debut. Tavares...not enough time to form an opinion. We definitely need more than one in...

I think that’s wrong as his club is no longer Bundesliga - of course it could be me who’s wrong.

I'm not sure he can be considered that much of a threat yet at 17, I'm more surprised because we are trying to persuade him his future lies here. I may not be in favour of starting him just to do that, but he should be making the bench unless he's injured.

He was literally on the shortlist before Gestede came?

It does seem that the esc rules/laws have been badly written, almost fuzzy around the edges rather than being cut & dry

If that “ tackle “ is at the home end of any ground 100% of the time it’s a given penalty. Who’d take it and whether we’d score from it is another story. My money would be on Ohashi.

I got the info from this, saying 19 PTS but don't know if it's accurate or not.

My concern is that outside of centre-half and left back and current CM’s we look wafer thin. A team of unknowns, not yets and never beens. The primary issue being where are goals coming from, Ohashi is an 8 - 10 a season man, we all love Gueye’s personality and smile but let’s face it outside of nuisance factor he’s crap. With good service there is max 16-20 goals between them, where are the others coming from? Off the top of my head I reckon the rest of our team have no more than 25 champ goals between them

We haven’t got a player who’ll put a real foot in. Travis is the only one that is even near and yesterday he wasn’t at it. They gave him a quietener early on after the ball had gone that they got away with. That was one of the things I liked about Beck, he’d meet fire with fire and he didn’t take a backward step.

Miller's very first throw I think it was, created a chance. Sadly it fell to Mcloughlin, who showed us why he didn't score in 6 years for Hull.

A novice with friends in low places. He was originally snuck in unannounced under the guise of doing a favour to an ex-player and giving him some work experience. Who invited him ? Certainly not Waggott who was CEO at the time. Now he is running the gaff. It makes no sense unless you look into Pasha's past. Then it does.

I definitely think we need far more than just a right winger and to replace any outgoings. You now think that and have dropped previous requests because its what Ismael said will happen so you are parroting it. It may have been a penalty, although he definitely exaggerated his fall to try and con the ref. But I am more worried about our performance than pinning our issues on referees.