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Many other clubs, when they have sold £40M+ worth of players have immediately reinvested 80% + of that income to improve the squad and ensure that they challenge further up the table There is nothing stopping Rovers, even now from doing what Brentford have done in the past, or what Coventry did upon selling Gyokeres & Hamer, or what Boro do pretty much each and every season after selling some of their better talents (although that window of opportunity will soon be gone as tit will not be long until the Wharton sale can now longer be included in the last 3 years rolling FFP) Those clubs have ambition. it may work out, it may not, there are no guarantees, but the odds are certainly more in their favour than Rovers purely on the basis that they are trying to improve and progress. Rovers have so far just used money from sales to justify not sending money over from India It is lazy, short sighted, and as someone has said in the past( (I cant recall who to credit them with the term) Venky Rovers are "penny wise, pound foolish". For them it is always better to save a few pennies now by not offering new contracts in a timely manner and at appropriate levels, and so instead end up throwing money away due to receiving vastly reduced amounts in the transfer market. But then again, as has been stated by Pasha et al, sale do not impact lour budget, so what does it matter eh?

In the current Rovers climate, could we not crowd fund some protest type murals. All the Venky quotes, Picture of Pasha saying its just a minority. He would hate that.

A real shame to read the latest update, Deecee. Not sure anything I could say would offer any comfort, but, you’ve obviously got some strength to have come this far and it’s really pleasing to hear that you’re staying positive. Keep the faith, you’ve got an army of supporters still behind you on here.

I don't fancy us to get anything at Swansea mid week. Would the club maybe try and sack him just before the Watford game to try and distract from the boycott? It might put some off some people who were on the fence about whether to boycott from participating. It's an option for them to try and relieve some of the tension in the fan base, as they might see it. Not sure how many that would wash with though.

I don’t think they’ll sack him yet if at all but a couple of more defeats and any manager with any self awareness would realise their position is untenable and resign. It has been noted elsewhere but this is where the decline in the influence of local newspapers and local reporters hits hard. The press of years gone by would have calling for change in 150pt bold headlines long before now

@JHRover was spot on with his analysis a few pages back. There’s a subset of supporters who see themselves as the old guard, holding court and gatekeeping expectations of the post-Walker era. Not only does this give their revisionism a sense of authority, it also functions as a coping mechanism to make the current decline easier to swallow.

Yep Kean started it every time he referred to 'book value' instead of talking about points. It continued under Bowyer 'squad value' and nobody did more shoehorning than ToMo 'creating value'. Every gaffer who has dared put points as priority and team building in transfer windows hasn't lasted very long. We are an agents vehicle that was part of the deal from the very beginning and its never gone away. Grow and sell grow and sell, a whol team if necessary. Only difference now is it has become more of a necessity due to owners pulling up their bridge.

How did she go from 'no idea how it works behind the scenes' to that?

Many thanks, it'll be reyt!

Exactly right. How many years of this and folk are still coming out with ‘why’s he not been sacked?’ ‘Why’s he still playing him in that position?’ ‘Why so many young lads on the bench?’ Because winning matches, I.e the whole point of professional football, is not the point here.

We played Szmodics slightly deeper than an out and out forward, but he would often run past the last man. The number of goals he scores where we sprung the defence and got him one on one was high. If he played wider or up top he wasn't as effective. However once he was scoring regularly his confidence was up and his finishing was top notch. A bit like Adam Armstrong, he's very good in this league but probably ineffective in the Premier League. But if he goes to a club who plays him to his strengths he would still score 15+ a season. I presume the way you play doesn't suit him, in which case you are both better parting ways. I'm not exaggerating when I say he looked 10x the player George Hirst did.

Don’t feed the troll, mate. He’s only another successful diagnosis of small man syndrome, not worth it.

You have absolutely wasted Szmodics. He is a fine player and deserved better.

The view on the current Rovers situation with Venkys and the money they put in depends on what you want from the football club. Going back to good old Drog and his Lancashire United, his point was that if we are to compete regularly in the Premier League then the Lancashire clubs need to merge and form Lancashire United. The counter argument in 2005 always was (and still is now) that the clubs have separate identities. They represent Preston, Blackburn, Burnley. They may not have the resources to compete at the top of the Premier League, but I'd rather support my town team at the level they end up than some commercially-orientated manifestation. The key is the club should be doing the best it can. At the moment Venkys can put whatever money in they want, but if they don't employ competent people in the board room and dugout then it's just being pissed away. Let's pretend that they are putting £20million a season (or whatever, I'm not even sure if they are putting anywhere near that in with sales nowadays). Despite this £20 million, we are fighting for survival in the Championship, have a ground being neglected, have long standing staff members leaving the club due to unhappy working conditions, falling attendances, no communication or respect with the fans, have taken out payday loans because they couldn't get money across to us due to illegal activity back in India. We had failed transfer deadline day registrations, tried to sell off Brockhall behind the fans backs. We had two managers leave, not necessarily in my opinion because they weren't getting what they wanted but because we have no proper plan in place and they ultimately had been lied to. Mowbray, for all his faults, at least deserved to be told if he was getting a contract or not rather than just letting it run out. Players don't sign contracts and are allowed to walk free because in many cases the club won't offer them new contracts when they have a couple of years left on their current deals The local journalist is banned from the club because, well no-one is sure but it's not because he writes loads of nasty articles against the club. The 150th anniversary, a landmark date in the clubs history, was badly planned with an (awful) kit launch 2 months after the event. We have no Sky Sports in the Blues Bar. We have a screen outside the ground in the fanzone that has a picture quality like an Atari 2600 game. A social media team which can't even get the most basic information right. Almost every announcement has a fault on it. Senior club staff calling people who aren't happy spice heads on social media. Our fine history? Stripped from the walls of the inside and outside of the ground. Discarded as rubbish for all to see behind the Riverside. Want to watch Rovers play live over Christmas? Sorry we don't make any money from that so we're not going to bother trying to let you buy tickets. Thats off the top of my head. There's probably tons of stuff I could have added and they are all in the last few years. Let's not even bring up JA and the first two years of their tenure. It's all a shambles. If you tell me that we could end up with owners who would only put in half as much as Venkys but would be engaged with the club, would make sure the club is being run the correct way, would hold the senior leadership team off the pitch accountable and would generally show the club and it's fans respect, but we might be competing in League One, I would snap your hands off. Some fans say that attendance aren't down because of the owners. They are down because we lose the glory hunters from the Premier League and because we don't win every week. But similarly fans allowing the complete disrespect and running down of the club to continue, just because they crave the owners £20millon a year to fight for mid table Championship placings rather than risk going down, is also a form of glory hunting. "I don't want them to leave because we might become shitter". Maybe we would become shitter, but at least there might be pride and respect again. If you forsake that for a few league positions, you might as well get on board with Lancashire United.

R.I.P Blackburn Rovers , another defeat , under Ismael, and the losers, that have taken over Ewood park.

Jorgenson has got to start.

20th in the second tier is in no way a natural level for Blackburn Rovers. Our overall history doesn't back that up despite the docile few who seem to welcome it as normal stuff. But.... and here's the thing 20th in this division is about right given the budget, standard of people running the club and owning it and the level of crowds they've reduced us to. So you have to conclude it's THEIR level they've finally dragged us down to nothing more nothing less. Replace the name Blackburn Rovers with Crewe or Barnsley or Oldham and they'd all probably be happy and say yes this is where we should be. Why don't they all fuck off and buy/run a club like that.

Even The LT positive mob seem to have lost patience or are at last chance saloon with him.

People can analysis to the nth degree his tactical nous, points per game or whatever but I think it is clear as day that he is not good enough to get a tune out of these players We are becoming progressively worse. It is the complete inability to hold on to the ball and attack that tells me what I need to know. Anyone can set a team up to be hard to beat - although we are failing at that now - but it takes tactical knowledge to understand an opponents weaknesses and attack them. At no point during Vals reign have I ever thought he has one over on the opposing manager and that he has set his team up to exploit the weaknesses of the opposition. It has been a one-trick pony - and if the starting plan does not work then we simply struggle through the 90 minutes and hope a moment of individuality pulls us through Val has to go. At any normal club, a team that almost got promotion last season who now sits where we are would sack the manager and go again. We are told the team has improved - has it? And if it has then why is our manager allowed to achieve so little? All of this talk of “who do we get after” is more contrarian nonsense with a lack of ambition - a sense of doom, that we aren’t worth a chance, when the reality is we have been a top half club for 4 years now and any coach would give that a go. The circus on the side though, maybe that is cutting through in the football world, and maybe this is now the depths we inhabit because Rudy has found “our natural place”

I think he could so with a loan spell in League 1 until the end of the season. There might be a player in there somewhere. His record in Sweden was decent albeit its a lower standard. Currently he is shot of confidence and being played in a position he's completely unsuitable for. His effort is always excellent so he deserves a chance and I think dropping down a division could be his best bet.

Yes, but might be too soon for him as he’s only just returned.

Imagine how'd his record would be if he hadn't won those 4 on the bounce at the end of last season. There influence him and Gestede have, the worse we get.

We finished 7th last season. Why are we even in this tunnel ?

If he does BRFC will not see a penny , straight to India , to be trousered by whoever !

Pretty sure they brought Miller straight back in when he returned from international duty. We're absolutely desperate, so he'll probably play.