Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[roversfan99]

Just now, rigger said:

Than Dolan yes, but neither are good enough as regular starters for the Rovers. The saying of, beggars can't be choosers, is very apt.

He definitely isnt better.

[M_B]

Anyone saying Dolan is only playing well because of his contract situation have got short memories.

He was playing out of his skin last season before he got injured. Our form nosedived with that injury.

[Mattyblue]

Bloody hell rigger, you are almost as daft with this as Rev with his Tronstadt stance. Give it up 😄

Dolan has been pretty much a nailed on starter for years for a team that has spent three out of four seasons around the play off places for the Premier League - Markanday is still being loaned out to League 1 and 2… and he’s three months older!

Edited Monday at 18:37 by Mattyblue

[rigger]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He definitely isnt better.

In your opinion.

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, KentExile said:

Like who is being paid the money that was previously being allocated to the playing squad?

However I think most of us know the answer to that already 😉 

You tell me Kent given you want to imply these assumptions? 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Just to clarify, you dont think there has been an attempt to cut costs in recent years?

in the players salaries being paid? or overall at the club? 

7 hours ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

Doesn't that worry you Chaddy? 

If your wage was the same now as it was back in 2019, would you be happy with that?

No, cos we seen the playing squad changed over the last 5 seasons and we don't know what's in the players contract has some contract could have wage rise in them for each season. We don't know what in the contract do we

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

As a free agent aside from some nominal compensation, many assume he will just go to Derby and that may be the case but you would think a better side would fancy him even if its not to play every game?

He has certainly improved more this season than IMO any other in his development and I think has benefitted from the simplicity of playing from the right.

If he is going Derby then its become of his close bond and relationship with Eustace not money. 

4 hours ago, DuffsLeftPeg said:

That was before the owners current financial “issues” reared their head and the “project changed” - according to JDT anyway!

So I don’t expect Dolan to be replaced with someone of similar quality, commitment or the better consistency & output he has shown this season. 

If we’re looking at cutting costs surely that should be with getting rid of Buckley & JRC rather than letting one of our best performers leave for free. Offer the lad £15k, he deserves it!

 

As I said the other day I would let JRC go as I don't see a place for him in the squad and he isn't a right back for me and Buckley has to moved on to fulfil his potential(some of it at least). 

You can only make that decision or judgement after the summer transfer window has finish not now

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, rigger said:

In your opinion.

and the opinion of 4 consecutive Rovers managers,

Edit - I suppose technically only 3 since Ismael hasn't yet had an opportunity yet to pick Dolan ahead of Markanday

Edited Monday at 19:44 by KentExile

[Tomphil2]

Dolan has been no different than any other young developing player at this level in that hes been inconsistent and in and out of form.

Difference to the average joes like say Buckley for example is hes had plenty runs of good form and when hes good not only does he make the team come alive he can be unplayable at times.

He's got graft and a bit of flair in him which is why he should've been 'Tyed' down a few years ago because despite the obvious frustrating stuff there's always been a match winner there as well. He's unlikely to get a Prem move but plenty Championship clubs will like him he's worthy of any squad in this league.

 

[roversfan99]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You tell me Kent given you want to imply these assumptions? 

in the players salaries being paid? or overall at the club? 

No, cos we seen the playing squad changed over the last 5 seasons and we don't know what's in the players contract has some contract could have wage rise in them for each season. We don't know what in the contract do we

If he is going Derby then its become of his close bond and relationship with Eustace not money. 

As I said the other day I would let JRC go as I don't see a place for him in the squad and he isn't a right back for me and Buckley has to moved on to fulfil his potential(some of it at least). 

You can only make that decision or judgement after the summer transfer window has finish not now

In general. Although if our wage bill is the same as 5 or 6 years ago, its less because of inflation.

I never mentioned money re Dolan. I just think he could get a better move considering hes only going to cost a small compensation fee due to our clubs incompetence again.

[RTM08]

Whatever your thoughts on Dolan, it's yet another example of the "inject young players and sell on for a profit" model that Rudy mentioned that just fails to make any sense at any level. Either tie them down or sell them on, stop letting players go for free!

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I never mentioned money re Dolan. I just think he could get a better move considering hes only going to cost a small compensation fee due to our clubs incompetence again.

we have offered him a new contract but Dolan wants to test the market and see what out there. That's his decision but he has performed for us this season so why can't say he hasn't put a shift him, I hope he stays but if he doesn't I wish him well in the future

[47er]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He definitely isnt better.

or anything like as good.

[47er]

50 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

we have offered him a new contract but Dolan wants to test the market and see what out there. That's his decision but he has performed for us this season so why can't say he hasn't put a shift him, I hope he stays but if he doesn't I wish him well in the future

No criticism of the Club then? Its their decision not to pay him what he can earn elsewhere. 

Edit---you have criticised the Club in your post above but contradict yourself in this post.

We have no idea whether Dolan "wants to test the market" but without a good offer from Rovers what choice does he have?

Edited Monday at 21:31 by 47er

[roversfan99]

Again, "wants to test the market" is just parroting what has been put in the media.

I suspect that if he had been offered a proper deal proactively then he would be here beyond the end of the season. If there is even a deal on the table its clearly nowhere near at market value.

Similarly, all of our other key players are about to go into their final year and we havent even bothered trying yet to tie them down.

The next contract news we will hear will be in the summer when we give another year or two to crap like Hedges and Forshaw who no one else will want.

[chaddyrovers]

Elliott Jackson on his LT podcast says Rovers have offered a new contract and they will make a final contract offer to him shortly. Says Dolan won't make any decision to after he's been on holiday. 

Also says Ismael have said if its about money he will go elsewhere if not it's about being part of team, being key player and enjoying his football then he might stay. 

[lraC]

15 hours ago, Mercer said:

As an accountant, I can tell you I have played many a tune with the accounts when working in industry/commerce and it is not too difficult to tie external auditors up in knots!

As I have said before, I would love to be let loose on a spot of due diligence on Rovers!

 

My job involves dealing with income and I would say over 90% of people I deal with, who are self- Employed or run their own Limited company, admit to manipulating or not declaring, all of their income. 

[KentExile]

They are putting all the building blocks in place for the "greedy Dolan &/or his agent" narrative to be trotted out in the summer

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25119994.dolan-contract-reality-blackburn-boss-big-money-claim/

Edited Tuesday at 05:12 by KentExile

[47er]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Elliott Jackson on his LT podcast says Rovers have offered a new contract and they will make a final contract offer to him shortly. Says Dolan won't make any decision to after he's been on holiday. 

Also says Ismael have said if its about money he will go elsewhere if not it's about being part of team, being key player and enjoying his football then he might stay. 

No -Brainer then!!

[KentExile]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Elliott Jackson on his LT podcast says Rovers have offered a new contract and they will make a final contract offer to him shortly. Says Dolan won't make any decision to after he's been on holiday promotion/relegation/European qualification for next season is confirmed across Europe & he can then pick his best bet, which will not be Rovers unless they win promotion

Also says Ismael have said if its about money he will go elsewhere if not it's about being part of team, being key player and enjoying his football then he might stay. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:40 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

Why are we making our final contract offer "shortly." His contract has 2 months left, its just a token gesture.

[Ricceh]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Why are we making our final contract offer "shortly." His contract has 2 months left, its just a token gesture.

Because he's had an offer sat for a while and hasn't accepted it, so I'm guessing we're going back with improved terms?

He probably sat on it waiting for a different club to come in, and seeing as our manager is publicly saying if he leaves he's just chasing money, I'm going to assume someone has offered!

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, Ricceh said:

Because he's had an offer sat for a while and hasn't accepted it, so I'm guessing we're going back with improved terms?

He probably sat on it waiting for a different club to come in, and seeing as our manager is publicly saying if he leaves he's just chasing money, I'm going to assume someone has offered!

Point being, why have we just left that offer for so long and not offered him improved terms before, ones that might be enough to keep him.

[47er]

25 minutes ago, Ricceh said:

Because he's had an offer sat for a while and hasn't accepted it, so I'm guessing we're going back with improved terms?

He probably sat on it waiting for a different club to come in, and seeing as our manager is publicly saying if he leaves he's just chasing money, I'm going to assume someone has offered!

We're going to make a "final offer" to ensure we get as much compensation for him as possible. We know it will be rejected.

Ismael has come as close as possible to confirm Dolan is leaving.

Step forward Markanday!

And the dumbing down accelerates.

[Wheelton Blue]

Dolan leaving is the least of our problems on the contract front.
I'm more worried about Tronstad, Travis, Brittain, Baath.

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, lraC said:

My job involves dealing with income and I would say over 90% of people I deal with, who are self- Employed or run their own Limited company, admit to manipulating or not declaring, all of their income. 

As you will know it's all relative dependent upon the size and nature of the beast.

Take Tesco and the front-loading of their income some 10 years ago - not the greatest advert for PwC after that one!  

With a £20m+ turnover and wages/operating expenses approaching £40m (not sure where and when the cost cutting kicks-in!!!) I would think there is ample scope for some 'creative accounting' at Rovers.

Doesn't matter whether the organisation is huge, big or small, I think there are always tunes to be played with the numbers and experience tells me external auditors can be led something of a merry dance!

I would very happily do due diligence on Rovers foc.

Edited Tuesday at 07:36 by Mercer

[Tomphil2]

The Dolan situation is just a rehash of the Lenihen, Nyambe ones, maybe even BBD as how do we know after being low balled 2 years ago he hasn't had a good foreign offer waiting on the table ?

They'll offer him a token gesture at the last min then say they bust a gut to keep him and made a 'massive' offer.

In reality head office eyes a nice bit if compo and the ability to reinvest 5 of his 8k a week into a loan deal rather than commit to a weekly double figure 3 year contract, then tell India they've cut costs again.

Their idea of investment 🤨

Edited Tuesday at 08:13 by Tomphil2