Premier League

[47er]

42 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The annoying thing about the Championship is it is very close to being a fantastic competition. Absolutely nothing between the vast majority of the clubs… though now being increasingly ruined by parachute payments.

But top 3 absolutely dominated---100 points,100 points and 90n points----then Sunderland with 76.

I'm absolutely convinced that Burnley and Sheff Utd will be relegated and promoted yet again.

[Mattyblue]

Exactly, the PL is now increasingly a defacto closed shop, just with a floating few clubs bouncing in and out of it.

[oneandycrawford]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Exactly, the PL is now increasingly a defacto closed shop, just with a floating few clubs bouncing in and out of it.

Realistically that was the 'bigger' clubs objective all along wasn't it? Big sighs of relief all round at Utd and Spurs this year that the gap is so huge now between the haves' and 'have nots'

[Upside Down]

24 minutes ago, oneandycrawford said:

Realistically that was the 'bigger' clubs objective all along wasn't it? Big sighs of relief all round at Utd and Spurs this year that the gap is so huge now between the haves' and 'have nots'

That was entirely the objective. Previously, a shit season could see you down and someone (although it was still very difficult) could go on a blinder and win the whole thing.

Absolutely not a chance of either of those things happening now. Even shit small clubs like palace and Everton are safe no matter how shit they are because there will always be three teams that are just completely gash.

That's before you even start getting into the complete lack of atmosphere and passion from the attendees.

[Claytons Left Boot]

FA Cup Final today, at the ridiculous time of 4.30pm. Gone are the days when the English and Scottish cup finals were on the same day and at the traditional time of 3pm. One used to be on BBC, the other on ITV (or vice versa) and I used to flick from one to the other for scores, updates etc.

It’s difficult to want Palace to win anything, any time, for obvious reasons but I always opt for the underdog. I detest Citeh with both their oil money and obnoxious, Neanderthal support and with the added Wharton factor, it’s Palace for me.

 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Claytons Left Boot said:

FA Cup Final today, at the ridiculous time of 4.30pm. Gone are the days when the English and Scottish cup finals were on the same day and at the traditional time of 3pm. One used to be on BBC, the other on ITV (or vice versa) and I used to flick from one to the other for scores, updates etc.

It’s difficult to want Palace to win anything, any time, for obvious reasons but I always opt for the underdog. I detest Citeh with both their oil money and obnoxious, Neanderthal support and with the added Wharton factor, it’s Palace for me.

 

BBC wanted 3pm kick off but ITV wanted 5/5.30 pm kick off. 

 

[K-Hod]

FA Cup final during the season feels wrong. 
Probably because it is, tbf.

[roversfan99]

Again TV broadcasters only interested in their own schedules jostling for the match without a care for fans or traditions.

[arbitro]

Dean Huijsen has signed for Real Madrid from Bournemouth for £50m. That's over double what Palace stole Adam Wharton for and he too is 20.

He has played 30 Premier League games and a handful of senior games in Italy.

[riverholmes]

On 15/05/2025 at 10:42, Upside Down said:

That was entirely the objective. Previously, a shit season could see you down and someone (although it was still very difficult) could go on a blinder and win the whole thing.

Absolutely not a chance of either of those things happening now. Even shit small clubs like palace and Everton are safe no matter how shit they are because there will always be three teams that are just completely gash.

That's before you even start getting into the complete lack of atmosphere and passion from the attendees.

It's appalling the way it's gone. It is now the norm for promoted clubs to have managers or players taken off them. What chance would we have had back in the day if Duff or Dunn were sold before a Premier League ball was kicked, after promotion?

It's also notable to compare the top scorers in the second tier back in those days - Louis Saha, Michael Ricketts, Matt Jansen, Lee Hughes, Mikael Forsell and on. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Again TV broadcasters only interested in their own schedules jostling for the match without a care for fans or traditions.

Didn't BBC want it at 3pm kick off? Wasn't that with care for fans and traditions 

[islander200]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Dean Huijsen has signed for Real Madrid from Bournemouth for £50m. That's over double what Palace stole Adam Wharton for and he too is 20.

He has played 30 Premier League games and a handful of senior games in Italy.

He has also been capped twice for his country and Is recognised as one of the best young defenders in the country with many top clubs registering an interest. 

Wharton had only played Championship and hadn't even recieved an under 21 cap.Wharton was never going to be recognised as one of the best young midfielders in the world playing for a championship side.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Dean Huijsen has signed for Real Madrid from Bournemouth for £50m. That's over double what Palace stole Adam Wharton for and he too is 20.

He has played 30 Premier League games and a handful of senior games in Italy.

Crucial point miss is that Huijsen has those PL games and played very well..

Wharton only had championship experience. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

He has also been capped twice for his country and Is recognised as one of the best young defenders in the country with many top clubs registering an interest. 

Wharton had only played Championship and hadn't even recieved an under 21 cap.Wharton was never going to be recognised as one of the best young midfielders in the world playing for a championship side.

It depends who’s doing the recognising. Even as a kid at Rovers he was at a Tugay  level of passing. That was pretty obvious.

[Mattyblue]

Maybe back JDT and try and get in the PL ourselves then, then we’d have been getting 50 mil… oh silly me, we don’t have that kind of billionaire owners of a Championship football club 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

He has also been capped twice for his country and Is recognised as one of the best young defenders in the country with many top clubs registering an interest. 

Wharton had only played Championship and hadn't even recieved an under 21 cap.Wharton was never going to be recognised as one of the best young midfielders in the world playing for a championship side.

Is he worth over twice as much?

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Crucial point miss is that Huijsen has those PL games and played very well..

Wharton only had championship experience. 

Wharton was the stand out young player in the Championship and in his first season we just missed out on the playoffs and he played very well too.

Do you really think Huijsen is worth over twice as much?

[Mattyblue]

Value and worth is only based on what the market says it is, is he twice as ‘good’? Course not, but alas assets of distressed sellers just aren’t worth as much. 

[roversfan99]

Its really difficult to compare against other players as you are never comparing like for like. I still dont get this obsession about England under 21 caps.

Its better looking at the variables internally to determine whether it was likely that we got a fair value.

We was desperate so that massively weakens our negotiating power.

We sold as early as we could so that limits his value.

We sold in January where teams are far less likely to spend big.

Common sense really.

[islander200]

43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its really difficult to compare against other players as you are never comparing like for like. I still dont get this obsession about England under 21 caps.

Its better looking at the variables internally to determine whether it was likely that we got a fair value.

We was desperate so that massively weakens our negotiating power.

We sold as early as we could so that limits his value.

We sold in January where teams are far less likely to spend big.

Common sense really.

It isn't an obsession over under 21 caps it's a valid argument. If he was being seen as the best young player/best young midfielder in the country/outside the  premier league he would have been making those squads no question.

I can't understand what you don't get here...the under 21s is supposedly for the best of that age group Wharton didn't make one squad so quite clearly he wasn't being rated externally as he should have been.

January or not if he was as rated as he should have been then more than Palace would have been in for him at that price.What was stopping all the big clubs taking him?

[islander200]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Wharton was the stand out young player in the Championship and in his first season we just missed out on the playoffs and he played very well too.

Do you really think Huijsen is worth over twice as much?

What we think doesn't matter no club is paying £50 million for Wharton from a championship club.

After 30 games in the prem he is worth more than £50 million.

The lad Bournemouth have just sold looks excellent and had many big clubs in for him alongside Madrid.None of these  clubs came in for Wharton when he was available for a pittance for a player of his quality

[Mattyblue]

Because it was too early in his development, he hadn’t even become a top week in week out performer in the Championship yet, ergo a normal club wouldn’t be selling there and then when his potential was off the scale, they’d wait and pick their opportune moment - we aren’t, so we did, end of story.

Edited 55 minutes ago by Mattyblue

[arbitro]

7 minutes ago, islander200 said:

What we think doesn't matter no club is paying £50 million for Wharton from a championship club.

After 30 games in the prem he is worth more than £50 million.

The lad Bournemouth have just sold looks excellent and had many big clubs in for him alongside Madrid.None of these  clubs came in for Wharton when he was available for a pittance for a player of his quality

Which is exactly what we sold him for. Palace knew we were desperate and low balled us - Parrish all but admitted that and even threatened to pull out of the deal because he knew we would capitulate. 

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Which is exactly what we sold him for. Palace knew we were desperate and low balled us - Parrish all but admitted that and even threatened to pull out of the deal because he knew we would capitulate. 

But all the other clubs knew what he was available and none of the big clubs bit, if he was being rated externally as he should have been the big 6 would have been falling over themselves to sign him for that money .

They could have done that deal they ain't weren't gonna  come in in the summer and pay much more for him 

He also wasn't being involved at under 21 level yer man from Bournemouth had 2 senior caps and loads of big teams after him, if it wasn't for the release clause Bournemouth would have got more money for him 

[roversfan99]

22 minutes ago, islander200 said:

It isn't an obsession over under 21 caps it's a valid argument. If he was being seen as the best young player/best young midfielder in the country/outside the  premier league he would have been making those squads no question.

I can't understand what you don't get here...the under 21s is supposedly for the best of that age group Wharton didn't make one squad so quite clearly he wasn't being rated externally as he should have been.

January or not if he was as rated as he should have been then more than Palace would have been in for him at that price.What was stopping all the big clubs taking him?

Come on, teams look beyond England under 21 caps. Those squads tend to be dominated by big clubs. 

It was January. Teams dont tend to spend much in that window.

He would have been a more developed player come the summer, proving his talent more.

But even if it was only still Palace in for him. They took advantage because we couldnt wait to kick him out of the door.

Say 6 months further into his development, in the more active summer market, and crucially assuming we werent desperate and distressed sellers. You genuinely think none of them make a difference?