Premier League

[lraC]

10 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

I highly doubt this is true, he will have gone to win every game, he was just a poor manager who couldn't get wins in the PL.

If it is actually true, he deserves to be sacked for that alone. Why would Spurs fans pay extortionate amounts of money for a season ticket, knowing the manager is "giving up" on the league?

There is the prize money element too. Perhaps not trying in the league has cost them a few million then.

[chaddyrovers]

50 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Allegedly Liverpool were looking at Amorim when Klopp decided to leave but decided against it after he said he'd be playing 3-4-3. They told him that Liverpool's players aren't set up for that system.

West Ham interviewed aswell and said no for similar reasons. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/13123981/ruben-amorim-on-west-ham-reports-sporting-boss-apologises-to-clubs-fans-after-confirming-hammers-talks#:~:text=Ruben Amorim has admitted to,not comment at the time.

West Ham source reveals the reason why they rejected Ruben Amorim as they searched for a manager in the summer - despite him flying in for an interview - as Man United deal looms | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/9vP2BTqVYUILiExNV

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

I highly doubt this is true, he will have gone to win every game, he was just a poor manager who couldn't get wins in the PL.

If it is actually true, he deserves to be sacked for that alone. Why would Spurs fans pay extortionate amounts of money for a season ticket, knowing the manager is "giving up" on the league?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yqqy55xjjo.app#:~:text=It was intriguing then that,certain people at the club.

 

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5yqqy55xjjo.app#:~:text=It was intriguing then that,certain people at the club.

 

I know what he said, and we've had this discussion before, I'm not going through it again.

[Hasta]

To be fair to Ange, he had taken Tottenham to a hugely credible 15th in the Premier League by the end of  January window, when he then decided to give up on the league.

 

Edited Monday at 15:26 by Hasta

[DE.]

1 hour ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Allegedly Liverpool were looking at Amorim when Klopp decided to leave but decided against it after he said he'd be playing 3-4-3. They told him that Liverpool's players aren't set up for that system.

 

58 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

West Ham interviewed aswell and said no for similar reasons. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11685/13123981/ruben-amorim-on-west-ham-reports-sporting-boss-apologises-to-clubs-fans-after-confirming-hammers-talks#:~:text=Ruben Amorim has admitted to,not comment at the time.

West Ham source reveals the reason why they rejected Ruben Amorim as they searched for a manager in the summer - despite him flying in for an interview - as Man United deal looms | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/9vP2BTqVYUILiExNV

Reflects really badly on Man Utd's recruitment team, because it would have been obvious their squad didn't suit that formation either - not just that, but the players they've brought in look no more comfortable playing Amorim's way than the players he inherited. 

The only positive for them is that when a new manager is finally appointed there, he won't have to worry about disrupting the team by changing the system. Almost anything would suit United's players better than this. 

I still think it's pitiful when a manager boasts about stubbornly sticking to a system regardless of results, as if that's something to be proud of. It just means you have zero flexibility and a limited understanding of the game as a whole. 

Edited Monday at 15:28 by DE.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, DE. said:

 

Reflects really badly on Man Utd's recruitment team, because it would have been obvious their squad didn't suit that formation either - not just that, but the players they've brought in look no more comfortable playing Amorim's way than the players he inherited. 

The only positive for them is that when a new manager is finally appointed there, he won't have to worry about disrupting the team by changing the system. Almost anything would suit United's players better than this. 

I still think it's pitiful when a manager boasts about stubbornly sticking to a system regardless of results, as if that's something to be proud of. It just means you have zero flexibility and a limited understanding of the game as a whole. 

deffo the recruitment at United over the years has been a problem. 

United's summer recruitment still didn't address the midfield problem or the centre back problem or goalkeeper problem. They need a number 1 keeper and didn't get one, similar with centre back and centre midfielder areas. Why didn't they sign a back up striker like Brighton's Danny Welbeck who would have fitted that role perfectly Why didn't they look at City's keeper Ortega or centre back like Forest's Murillo or midfielder Elliott Anderson?  

Surely any new Man United head coach will surely move to 4-2-3-1 formation and put Fernandes were he should be playing as a number 10 with Cunha left and Mbeumo on the right with Sesko up front. 

Amorim won't admit his system didn't work here. The players can't play it and still don't understand how to play it either  

 

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, DE. said:

 

Reflects really badly on Man Utd's recruitment team, because it would have been obvious their squad didn't suit that formation either - not just that, but the players they've brought in look no more comfortable playing Amorim's way than the players he inherited. 

The only positive for them is that when a new manager is finally appointed there, he won't have to worry about disrupting the team by changing the system. Almost anything would suit United's players better than this. 

I still think it's pitiful when a manager boasts about stubbornly sticking to a system regardless of results, as if that's something to be proud of. It just means you have zero flexibility and a limited understanding of the game as a whole. 

The upper echelons at Man U are the ultimate culprits. Everything they do is reactive.

Last summer was particularly bad. They gave ten Hag a new contract on the back of a cup win, spent millions bringing in "his" players, plus a new director of football yet within 6 months they were both gone. It's negligent business practice. 

I could bring an upturn in Man U's fortunes. It's that simple. As Chaddy has posted I'd add numbers in midfield to stop them being overrun. Prime N'Golo Kante would struggle in Amorim's system. 

[rock steady]

Think Ruben just needs more time.

[roversfan99]

The Forest fans are already signing "you're getting sacked in the morning" to Ange after an embarassing defeat at home in Europe.

Marinakis is a prick but to be fair, his ambition and spending you cannot fault. But hes had a shocker replacing Nuno with that clown.

[Waggy76]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The Forest fans are already signing "you're getting sacked in the morning" to Ange after an embarassing defeat at home in Europe.

Marinakis is a prick but to be fair, his ambition and spending you cannot fault. But hes had a shocker replacing Nuno with that clown.

I am not sure about that, I think they over achieved by many folds  last season... 

It happens in football, Burnley once finished above half way! 

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

I am not sure about that, I think they over achieved by many folds  last season... 

It happens in football, Burnley once finished above half way! 

Theyve definitely downgraded though. 

Forest do have a strong side that theyve massively bolstered this summer.

[DE.]

When you're playing Football Manager you can download tactics to plug and play - sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. It's more rewarding to develop your own tactic and style, but if you're struggling then downloaded tactics can at least give you some idea of how the game engine works.

Managers like Ange and Amorim are essentially the real-life equivalent of an FM player who downloaded a tactic, it worked once and so they use it all of the time, unable to change it even if it doesn't work because they don't really understand the game itself particularly well.

No modern manager should have one style & shape that they are anchored to come hell or high water. It should be an instant red flag to any managerial recruitment team. 

[chaddyrovers]

plenty of head coaches have had only Plan A and when it doesn't work then don't have B. Someone like Sven Goran Eriksson or Roy Hodgson. 

Ange has been there for 6 games FFS, Allow some time and patience when some on here don't have. Did Forest play 3 at the back yesterday? so isn't a plan B 

@roversfan99 did you ever allow new head coach time to bring in his ideas and methods over and given that Ange probably didn't have much time on the training ground to implement his own ways yet?

[London blue]

I find it really difficult to track the acceptable period of time that can pass before it's permissable to criticise a manager.

[roversfan99]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

plenty of head coaches have had only Plan A and when it doesn't work then don't have B. Someone like Sven Goran Eriksson or Roy Hodgson. 

Ange has been there for 6 games FFS, Allow some time and patience when some on here don't have. Did Forest play 3 at the back yesterday? so isn't a plan B 

@roversfan99 did you ever allow new head coach time to bring in his ideas and methods over and given that Ange probably didn't have much time on the training ground to implement his own ways yet?

He repeatedly showed at Spurs that he doesnt have a plan B. Changing your formation doesnt mean its a plan B.

To replace Nuno with Ange was a ridiculous move.

I would never have appointed him. But I do find it interesting how 6 games is "FFS have time and patience" territory (why would I need patience judging the Forest manager) but 7 games for Ismael is enough to judge?