wilsdenrover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: No, because the clause is a "sell" on clause. Depends on whether we paid attention to the EFL’s guidance on this (I’m betting we didn’t)… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rogerb Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said: Depends on whether we paid attention to the EFL’s guidance on this (I’m betting we didn’t)… Might be an invoice going to Brentford now you have highlighted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverholmes Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, rob_of_the_rovers said: So what's to stop a team from loaning out a player for a £30 million loan fee with a £1 million obligation to buy? I am still confused about the Raya loan deal and why Brentford agreed to a option to buy, unless Raya was adamant he wanted to go and/or, Brentford felt that the player had likely peaked in value and were desperate to do the deal. Arsenal (and, I'm sure, others) have a record of testing rules of the game in transfers. This legal summary discusses how Arsenal inserted "anti-rival" sell-on clauses into player sales. When they sold Joel Campbell and Chuba Akpom, they inserted a sell-on of 10% for a UK club and 5% for a non-UK club. The intent was to financially discourage the buying club from selling the player on to a domestic rival of Arsenal. The article goes on to discuss how Arsenal successfully challenged a ruling against such clauses - so, presumably, they are still valid and used now. https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/sportinglinks/2022/january/play-on-cas-clarifies-the-permissibility-of-variable-sell-on-clauses-in-football-transfers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomphil Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Wasn't the reason for the Raya deal being done this way all down to helping Brentford with FFP ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversfan99 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 He isnt a natural goalscorer, its a natural instinct some strikers have to be in the right places at the right time and its difficult to coach it. He chips in with close to double figures and implying that he does anything but try his hardest is totally unfair, his injuries are muscular and probably a direct result. He also gives us a physical threat and even though hes average hes leagues above the other strikers we have so talk of Christmas coming early if he goes is done with an agenda. No one can surely think hes not better than the other 3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8T4 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said: Getting closer by the second If it takes him that long to finish he's definitely suited to our club 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8T4 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, tomphil said: Wasn't the reason for the Raya deal being done this way all down to helping Brentford with FFP ? It was to help Arsenal with FFP I believe. Toney deal might be done the same way 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversClitheroe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Neither Arsenal nor Brentford seem to have announced as such. Google is decent for searching info I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, Rogerb said: Might be an invoice going to Brentford now you have highlighted it. Are you confident that whoever negotiated for us had the foresight to insist on such a clause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said: Google is decent for searching info I reckon Google has no results which say the deal has been made permanent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversfan99 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 And if it did, you would think that any results would be shared rather than just posting random posts like that with no foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversClitheroe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said: Google has no results which say the deal has been made permanent. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.givemesport.com/arsenal-transfer-news-david-raya-sealing-permanent-move-matter-of-time-emirates/&ved=2ahUKEwi-5aDg0_ODAxVAW0EAHQTkAB4QvOMEKAB6BAgPEAE&usg=AOvVaw0gZWtxdoWB8p6lPhwNeyNq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversClitheroe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, roversfan99 said: And if it did, you would think that any results would be shared rather than just posting random posts like that with no foundation. Out of interest, is your profession teaching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogerb Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said: Are you confident that whoever negotiated for us had the foresight to insist on such a clause? NO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversfan99 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: Out of interest, is your profession teaching? It isnt. You posted something again with no context that was blatantly untrue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversClitheroe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, roversfan99 said: It isnt. You posted something again with no context that was blatantly untrue. What's that link then? Suggesting the permanent transfer will be sealed in the coming days? So it's set to be permanent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.givemesport.com/arsenal-transfer-news-david-raya-sealing-permanent-move-matter-of-time-emirates/&ved=2ahUKEwi-5aDg0_ODAxVAW0EAHQTkAB4QvOMEKAB6BAgPEAE&usg=AOvVaw0gZWtxdoWB8p6lPhwNeyNq Thank you for proving my point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversfan99 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: What's that link then? Suggesting the permanent transfer will be sealed in the coming days? So it's set to be permanent? Surely a more accurate way of posting would have been to post the link initially which actually states that the obligation conditions have been met but the timing of the deal is uncertain, which is something we already knew. As it is, it misled numerous posters into thinking it was gospel that he had signed and subsequently that the club will now receive a few million. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugaysMarlboro Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, Rogerb said: The next hearing will be towards the end of April and then the one in July. The judge doesn't trust Venkys to let it go longer than three months. Isn't there also an election in India this year around May? I do wonder if that will have a potential knock on effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moptop1 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, TugaysMarlboro said: Isn't there also an election in India this year around May? I do wonder if that will have a potential knock on effect. There’s always a knock on effect where Venkeys is concerned. That will be another reason they don’t invest next summer. The circus never stops for them… Just like a merry go round, the continued shite they cause, just keeps going round and round and round and round and round and round…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevidgeBlue Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, rob_of_the_rovers said: So what's to stop a team from loaning out a player for a £30 million loan fee with a £1 million obligation to buy? That's a great point. The structure of the Raya deal is £3m loan fee and balance of £27m if it becomes permanent so we wouldn't lose out that much but I bet no-one at this end considered that possibility when we sold him in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Rover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, tomphil said: Wasn't the reason for the Raya deal being done this way all down to helping Brentford with FFP ? Think it was the other way around, to help Arsenal with FFP. They can put the Raya purchase into next cycles figures, I remember them talking about it on the Athletic Tactics Podcast recently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebruce Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 48 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said: Think it was the other way around, to help Arsenal with FFP. They can put the Raya purchase into next cycles figures, I remember them talking about it on the Athletic Tactics Podcast recently. It was definitely reported as for Arsenal's benefit. Although I imagine it benefits Brentford the same way. Just little old Rovers it shafts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Rover Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, tomphil said: Wasn't the reason for the Raya deal being done this way all down to helping Brentford with FFP ? Surely you mean Arsenal. They did buy Rice for £100m this summer after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, bluebruce said: It was definitely reported as for Arsenal's benefit. Although I imagine it benefits Brentford the same way. Just little old Rovers it shafts. It doesn't really benefit Brentford unless they made more out of it as a result of a loan fee. I don't mean in terms of how that impacts the sell-on clause, simply if Arsenal were willing to pay a little bit more to avoid FFP implications. It helps Arsenal as it puts another relatively large fee into a different window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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