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Posted
1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I haven't dispute that point but my point it isn't benefit Spurs on the pitch for them which my post was about. He hasn't been Success for them

How do you know? Kane didn't break into the spurs team till he was 22. After going out on loan numerous times.ย  I know kane came through the spurs youth team.ย ย 

Posted
2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did he break through to Spurs first team? No then itโ€™s a pointless signing for them.ย 

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How many 20 year olds are first choice CBโ€™s in the Prem?

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Heโ€™s been bought by Spurs for the future, saying itโ€™s a pointless signing cos heโ€™s not in the first team already is utterly ridiculous!ย 

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Posted

Look where Tosin was at 20 ?

Look where he is now, there is obviously still a great career path to be had on the books of the big boys but you need to a bit fortunate and also stand out wherever you're sent.

Doubt Ash will be as good as him though and he'll have been sold the dream of being in Spuds squad almost instantly in order to blag him and his parents. Now they'll be loaning him to the best place for a shop window job and at a club who themselves could probably buy him if they really wanted to.

It still would have made as much if not more sense footballing wise staying here, but not as much wonga and ego obviously.

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

How many 20 year olds are first choice CBโ€™s in the Prem?

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Heโ€™s been bought by Spurs for the future, saying itโ€™s a pointless signing cos heโ€™s not in the first team already is utterly ridiculous!ย 

Agreed it canโ€™t really be called a failure yet because heโ€™s still under contract at spurs and could have a great season this season and break through next seasonย 

But you can look at who spurs have there in Romero van de ven dragusin danso gray all of a great age profile and under contract for a good while so it will take some step up. Other variables are he was signed by ange likely with a clear plan for him Frank might have other ideas or even other targets heโ€™s a big fan of Collinsย 

so its one of them ones until heโ€™s left spurs we wonโ€™t really know - I just think spurs wasnโ€™t the right club for himย 

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Posted
31 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Agreed it canโ€™t really be called a failure yet because heโ€™s still under contract at spurs and could have a great season this season and break through next seasonย 

But you can look at who spurs have there in Romero van de ven dragusin danso gray all of a great age profile and under contract for a good while so it will take some step up. Other variables are he was signed by ange likely with a clear plan for him Frank might have other ideas or even other targets heโ€™s a big fan of Collinsย 

so its one of them ones until heโ€™s left spurs we wonโ€™t really know - I just think spurs wasnโ€™t the right club for himย 

Well, he (his parents) went for the money..

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Posted

If Spurs manage to sell Phillips on for the same or more than they've paid for him, then the move can't be considered a failure from their point of view, they've taken a look at him and decided he's not what they want at their level, nothing lost, move on.

From Phillips point of view the move is a success, financially he'll probably be set up very nicely.

The only ones to lose out are Rovers due to Broughton not being able to persuade Phillips his future lay here for a few years and us therefore being forced to sell him after 12 months for a fraction of the fee we would have realised had he spent a few years here, excelled and had he not had a contract with a ridiculously low release clause.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If Spurs manage to sell Phillips on for the same or more than they've paid for him, then the move can't be considered a failure from their point of view, they've taken a look at him and decided he's not what they want at their level, nothing lost, move on.

From Phillips point of view the move is a success, financially he'll probably be set up very nicely.

The only ones to lose out are Rovers due to Broughton not being able to persuade Phillips his future lay here for a few years and us therefore being forced to sell him after 12 months for a fraction of the fee we would have realised had he spent a few years here, excelled and had he not had a contract with a ridiculously low release clause.

I guess the system doesn't work in favour of the likes of Rovers. Surely, the ridiculously low release clause was the only way we could get him to sign the contract in the first place.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Apologies if it's been mentioned before but someone on FLW has us "eyeing a move" for Issiah Jones.

Any legs in this or complete nonsense? I've always really rated him.

Out for 3 months with a stress fracture in his back.

Posted
1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I guess the system doesn't work in favour of the likes of Rovers. Surely, the ridiculously low release clause was the only way we could get him to sign the contract in the first place.

We didn't gain much from it though did we? One moment we're all crowing about what a masterstroke it was to tie Phillips down to a new deal, 12 months later we learn that actually it had a clause in allowing him to leave for relative peanuts.

I found it quite odd. Like we were just keeping him warm for Spurs for 12 months. I presume we would have been entitled to some form of compensation for him anyway?

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We didn't gain much from it though did we? One moment we're all crowing about what a masterstroke it was to tie Phillips down to a new deal, 12 months later we learn that actually it had a clause in allowing him to leave for relative peanuts.

I found it quite odd. Like we were just keeping him warm for Spurs for 12 months. I presume we would have been entitled to some form of compensation for him anyway?

Exactly. We gained very little-less than we deserved, as the developing club.

And I guess most people on here saw right through the "master stroke" spin..

Edited by Leonard Venkhater
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Posted
5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We didn't gain much from it though did we? One moment we're all crowing about what a masterstroke it was to tie Phillips down to a new deal, 12 months later we learn that actually it had a clause in allowing him to leave for relative peanuts.

I found it quite odd. Like we were just keeping him warm for Spurs for 12 months. I presume we would have been entitled to some form of compensation for him anyway?

They were clearly hoping a professional contract coupled with a clear pathway into the first team (and actual minutes on the pitch) would convince him to stay.

The fact his agent insisted on a pitiful release clause told you where his heart was.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

They were clearly hoping a professional contract coupled with a clear pathway into the first team (and actual minutes on the pitch) would convince him to stay.

The fact his agent insisted on a pitiful release clause told you where his heart was.

With the bank!

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Posted

Jackson:

a CB, RW and No10 on Rovers wish list, with permanent additions rather than loans preferred.ย 
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Baradji deal still on cards as Rovers really want him and he desperately wants to join.ย 
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Tyjon to be part of first team squad.ย 

Rovers see Montgomery long-term as a midfielder.ย 

LMM and Michalski have impressed in Spainย 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Jackson:

a CB, RW and No10 on Rovers wish list, with permanent additions rather than loans preferred.ย 
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Baradji deal still on cards as Rovers really want him and he desperately wants to join.ย 
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Tyjon to be part of first team squad.ย 

Rovers see Montgomery long-term as a midfielder.ย 

LMM and Michalski have impressed in Spainย 

That's the one thing VI has said that's impressed me the most since he's been here. That he doesn't like loans.

Whether or not he gets his way and secures further permanent additions I very much doubt.

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Posted
7 hours ago, USABlue said:

He needs to be aiming higher than Stoke City, with all due respect, if, as he thought, he was the bees knees.

Yes, I agree with that. He should been aiming higher in the championship. Wasnโ€™t he linked with Sheff Utd at one point.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Jackson:

a CB, RW and No10 on Rovers wish list, with permanent additions rather than loans preferred.ย 
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Baradji deal still on cards as Rovers really want him and he desperately wants to join.ย 
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Tyjon to be part of first team squad.ย 

Rovers see Montgomery long-term as a midfielder.ย 

LMM and Michalski have impressed in Spainย 

All those 3 requirements are going to cost serious money not magic beans. Unlrss they are all back ups like Forshaw and Sanderson was.

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Did he break through at Spurs? Did Spurs first team benefit from his signing?ย 

If he had stayed here over the last 2 years he would have broke through and we a first team regular now given his talent.ย 

This is a crazy take, so funny Chaddy. He cost them ยฃ2m and only turned 20 last monthย ๐Ÿ˜‚ย Do you really think Spurs bought him to break in to their first team within 2 seasons?ย  Since they bought him he's played over 50 Championship games. It's the perfect grounding for him.ย 

If the Rovers hierarchy are to be believed, we paid ยฃ1.75m for bloody Tavares!ย  This was an absolute no brainer for Spurs; miniscule investment, captain of England U20s, and if they don't fancy him in a year or so they'll probably sell him for treble what they paid.

Taylor Harwood Bellis had never played a prem game befoe Saints spent ยฃ22m on him.ย  There's potential value in players who spend a number of years in the championship and are owned by the big clubs.ย 

As for breaking in to our team, what value could he have got from staying? He'd not have played as many Championship games as he has for Stoke and Plymouth, and he's probably been earning 5 x more money over the last two years.ย  He's lost nothing in his career from going to Spurs.ย ย 

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Posted
42 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If Spurs manage to sell Phillips on for the same or more than they've paid for him, then the move can't be considered a failure from their point of view, they've taken a look at him and decided he's not what they want at their level, nothing lost, move on.

From Phillips point of view the move is a success, financially he'll probably be set up very nicely.

The only ones to lose out are Rovers due to Broughton not being able to persuade Phillips his future lay here for a few years and us therefore being forced to sell him after 12 months for a fraction of the fee we would have realised had he spent a few years here, excelled and had he not had a contract with a ridiculously low release clause.

The bit in bold is a load of bollocks, frankly.ย  How would you go about convincing Phillips and his agent that he should stay at Rovers, instead of joining a club like Spurs?ย  It was an absolute no brainer for him.ย  Since he moved he's played 50 games at Championship level, been paid considerably more than Rovers would have been able to afford for an 18 year old, and will have loads of offers if and when Spurs decide he hasn't made the grade.ย  At worst he'll join another Championship club when he's 22/23.

What could Broughton have possibly said to sway him to stay at Rovers?ย  It was either get a release clause of ยฃ2m OR go down the tribunal route, which is always absolute bobbins. Can anyone tell me what we've been paid from Newcastle for Finneran yet?ย 

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Posted

That LT piece does seem to just be an attempt to cobble together an update partly based on assumptions.

The Montgomery bit is strange journalism. For a start, a number 6 is a centre back. Dont let the modern day jargon fool you. But they havent "ruled out" playing him in his natural position?

I would be very surprised if the Badarji deal happens now. Surely there are alternatives on a list that are actually fit should that be a profile of player that we desperately want?

Right wing is the obvious main weakness at the moment. A right footed centre back, again yes we need. A number 10 as to not over burden Tyjon would certainly be something I agree with and if its something we do, chaddy will be fuming.

Striker has slipped off the list, concern is still not even about the fact that I dont think that Gueye is good enough, which I dont, but moreso when Ohashi tires/is injured, we dont have a like for like replacement that can slot into the side without a change of tactic.

Hopefully we can get a winger in as a minimum before the NEC game next week.

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