2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[bluebruce]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

 

That is one frightening prospect that I suspect would lead to even less goals I suspect.

Did we look effective doing this yesterday? Didnt create a chance doing so.

Miller's very first throw I think it was, created a chance. Sadly it fell to Mcloughlin, who showed us why he didn't score in 6 years for Hull.

[Lancaster Rover]

My concern is that outside of centre-half and left back and current CM’s we look wafer thin. A team of unknowns, not yets and never beens. The primary issue being where are goals coming from, Ohashi is an 8 - 10 a season man, we all love Gueye’s personality and smile but let’s face it outside of nuisance factor he’s crap. With good service there is max 16-20 goals between them, where are the others coming from? Off the top of my head I reckon the rest of our team have no more than 25 champ goals between them 

[Tugayisgod]

12 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I don’t think it matters either way.

I think he’s on 13 points, 7 for his Bundesliga minutes last year and 6 for his club now being in Bundesliga 2.

This would make him an exceptions panel case.

I’ve no idea how often these result in a yes instead of a no.

I got the info from this, saying 19 PTS but don't know if it's accurate or not.

 

[KentExile]

4 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I’ve seen that but from looking at the rules I don’t see why:

He gets the higher of his appearance points for Bundesliga vs Bundesliga 2 so he can’t lose out there (by playing today).

The other points I mentioned are for the league his club are currently in - surely he either gets the Bundesliga 2 points or he gets none at all.

 

 

It does seem that the esc rules/laws have been badly written, almost fuzzy around the edges rather than being cut & dry

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[RoversClitheroe]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You keep avoiding this, what about McLoughlin?

He was literally on the shortlist before Gestede came?

[bluebruce]

47 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Good point!

Surprised by his omission - let's be honest, we are short on goal threats.

I'm not sure he can be considered that much of a threat yet at 17, I'm more surprised because we are trying to persuade him his future lies here. I may not be in favour of starting him just to do that, but he should be making the bench unless he's injured.

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

I got the info from this, saying 19 PTS but don't know if it's accurate or not.

 

I think that’s wrong as his club is no longer Bundesliga - of course it could be me who’s wrong.

 

 

[yeti-dog]

Very underwhelming performance yesterday.

Toth...two very dodgy moments but a couple of good saves too.

Few thoughts on the new arrivals:

Alebiosu...energetic and did okay but his second touch always looks like it might be a tackle.

Miller... similar. Looks a bit of a beast but also looks clumsy.

De Neve...innocuous.

Henriksson...hoped for more. Needs to get up to speed but he's only been with us for a couple of days.

McLoughlin...steady debut.

Tavares...not enough time to form an opinion.

We definitely need more than one in...

 

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

He was literally on the shortlist before Gestede came?

But I am specifically saying that you said he was a terrible signing.

How do you think he did yesterday? As you seem reluctant to comment.

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Miller's very first throw I think it was, created a chance. Sadly it fell to Mcloughlin, who showed us why he didn't score in 6 years for Hull.

I am not saying to never use the throw in.

But to specifically play tactics endlessly launching it to Gueye would not lead to any more goals.

[Exiled_Rover]

9 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

My concern is that outside of centre-half and left back and current CM’s we look wafer thin. A team of unknowns, not yets and never beens. The primary issue being where are goals coming from, Ohashi is an 8 - 10 a season man, we all love Gueye’s personality and smile but let’s face it outside of nuisance factor he’s crap. With good service there is max 16-20 goals between them, where are the others coming from? Off the top of my head I reckon the rest of our team have no more than 25 champ goals between them 

Nuisance factor being he bullies the CBs, holds the ball up, wins headers and brings others into play?

He's clearly not a natural finisher, but if he was he wouldn't be here.

Giles would get 15 assists playing with Gueye up top.

[wilsdenrover]

13 minutes ago, KentExile said:

It does seem that the esc rules/laws have been badly written, almost fuzzy around the edges rather than being cut & dry

Agreed - although in this case it’s the main GBE criteria which has the following  issue.

The category ‘League Quality of Player’s current club’ doesn’t set out at what date/point this changes in the case of promotion/ relegation.

I’m as certain as I can be that whether he plays today or not is irrelevant - I’ve no clue as to whether the game ‘happening’ (ie his club’s season starting) is the trigger for his points reduction.

Edited 4 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[MarkBRFC]

Miyoshi came on at half time in his game.

[Tugayisgod]

18 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think that’s wrong as his club is no longer Bundesliga - of course it could be me who’s wrong.

 

 

I'll go off what you say and assume it's not up to date. Cheers for clarifying 

[Tugayisgod]

9 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Miyoshi came on at half time in his game.

Well that surely is the end of that then whatever thr confusion

Edited 4 hours ago by Tugayisgod

[Leonard Venkhater]

36 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

A novice with friends in low places. 

He was originally snuck in unannounced under the guise of doing a favour to an ex-player and giving him some work experience. Who invited him ? Certainly not Waggott who was CEO at the time.   Now he is running the gaff. It makes no sense unless you look into Pasha's past. Then it does.

This!!

[Lancaster Rover]

25 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Nuisance factor being he bullies the CBs, holds the ball up, wins headers and brings others into play?

He's clearly not a natural finisher, but if he was he wouldn't be here.

Giles would get 15 assists playing with Gueye up top.

Yep, that’s what I mean by nuisance factor. Part of our problem is we don’t get enough players around him to take advantage of his hold up play or ability to roll defenders. Re Giles, if you mean direct assists from Gueye scoring I’m not sure, if it’s knockdowns, etc maybe. Saying that though I had a look last week and Brittain created over 40 goal scoring chances yet ended up  4 direct assists/goal contributions. Which says a hell of a lot about our goal scoring ability across the team 

 

[roversfan99]

So that means that the deal is no longer possible. Best case scenario is that we move on Mafoumbi, have to wait now and have wasted an unnecessary ESC slot. 

Most likely scenario, our pissing about has cost us this transfer and we move on to someone inferior.

[Tugayisgod]

51 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Agreed - although in this case it’s the main GBE criteria which has the following  issue.

The category ‘League Quality of Player’s current club’ doesn’t set out at what date/point this changes in the case of promotion/ relegation.

I’m as certain as I can be that whether he plays today or not is irrelevant - I’ve no clue as to whether the game ‘happening’ (ie his club’s season starting) is the trigger for his points reduction.

Apologies if this has been brought up before but will any of our ESC players convert to GBE any time soon ?

Conversion:

ESC players can be converted to a full GBE after meeting certain criteria, such as accumulating enough points or playing a specific number of minutes. This conversion frees up the ESC slot for another player. 

[KentExile]

47 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Apologies if this has been brought up before but will any of our ESC players convert to GBE any time soon ?

Conversion:

ESC players can be converted to a full GBE after meeting certain criteria, such as accumulating enough points or playing a specific number of minutes. This conversion frees up the ESC slot for another player. 

Not before January, it at all

The rules (pasted below) state that conversions can be made based on playing time after 12 months, in which case, if Kargbo has played enough by then, then he can be converted.  The rules sound fuzzy as to if Toth, who will have been here for 18 months by that point, can be converted - I think that he can, but it is up for debate

Mafoumbi - no chance of converting, needs selling/releasing to get an extra ESC slot back this summer

Henriksson - has to wait until next summer to see if he has played enough

By next summer, given the lack of English players in the squad (who are likely to get minutes) we may well have our number of ESC slots reduced

 

 

https://analyticsfc.co.uk/blog/2023/06/21/introducing-esc-the-new-gbe-guidance-opens-up-recruitment-post-brexit/

 

Converting ESC players into non-ESC players

Helpfully, it is not the case that all players signed into the ESC slots have to remain there indefinitely. The goal, in many cases, will be for the ESC player that has been granted a work permit on that basis to convert to a non-ESC player.

This process can take place after twelve months. At this time, if a player fulfils the autopass criteria for GBE or if they now meet the 15pt threshold through the calculations that have been in place since 2020, then they become non-ESC players with a GBE. This means that the player can continue to play in this country, and the club regains the use of that ESC slot.

However, there is another way for the player to convert to non-ESC status. If the player plays in 25% or more of the club’s EQP qualifying matches over the twelve month period or if they play the required percentage of available minutes then they can be converted to a non-ESC player and the club regains that slot.

That required percentage of minutes differs according to the level that the club play at, and the age of the player. The exact details are as in the table below:

	Required percentage of available minutes (ESC)
League in which player participates	ESC Player under 21	ESC Player 21 and over
Premier League	15%	30%
Championship	50%	50%
League One	60%	60%
League Two	70%	70%

 

 

2024/25 onwards Criteria

However, from this season onwards clubs will be able to plan for the number of ESC slots that they have, with the possibility that they could only have one if the number of minutes for EQP is lower than 20%.

	Number of available ESC places
Weighted EQP minutes %	Premier League	Championship	League One	League Two
>= 35%	4	4	2	2
>= 30%	3	3	1	1
>= 25%	2	2	–	–
>= 20%	1	1	–	–

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, yeti-dog said:

Very underwhelming performance yesterday.

Toth...two very dodgy moments but a couple of good saves too.

Few thoughts on the new arrivals:

Alebiosu...energetic and did okay but his second touch always looks like it might be a tackle.

Miller... similar. Looks a bit of a beast but also looks clumsy.

De Neve...innocuous.

Henriksson...hoped for more. Needs to get up to speed but he's only been with us for a couple of days.

McLoughlin...steady debut.

Tavares...not enough time to form an opinion.

We definitely need more than one in...

 

More or less sums up my views.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

53 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

Yep, that’s what I mean by nuisance factor. Part of our problem is we don’t get enough players around him to take advantage of his hold up play or ability to roll defenders. Re Giles, if you mean direct assists from Gueye scoring I’m not sure, if it’s knockdowns, etc maybe. Saying that though I had a look last week and Brittain created over 40 goal scoring chances yet ended up  4 direct assists/goal contributions. Which says a hell of a lot about our goal scoring ability across the team 

 

I agree regarding getting bodies in the box. We wouldn’t have scored the sort of goal they scored after 20 minutes of the game because we wouldn’t have have had enough players in and around the ball for it to fall to one of our players. Hedges and DeNeve won’t be there. Neither will Travis or Tronstad.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It seems like they’re only taking him along to keep him sweet. He should get some game time against Bradford or what is the point ?

I think he will. Rovers have offered him a new improved Contract

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

To replace a key player and captain with a bloke relegated to the Swiss second division who potentially needs an operation that will keep him out for months would be absolutely ridiculous.

So even if you scouted him, Ismael wants him, he had a medical here, does not count for owt? 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Especially if he comes on, seems our pissing about has caused that ship to sail.

I don't agree, We can still bring him in, but you didn't rate him anyway so it doesn't matter that we might miss out on quality signing 

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think he will. Rovers have offered him a new improved Contract

So even if you scouted him, Ismael wants him, he had a medical here, does not count for owt? 

I don't agree, We can still bring him in, but you didn't rate him anyway so it doesn't matter that we might miss out on quality signing 

Can you please point out where I said that I dont rate him? You are literally making things up now.

Our dallying makes it much more difficult to sign him. At a push, we could pay off Mafoumbi, a further delay, and then bring him in and use a last ESC slot totally unecessarily.

You are at a peak of parroting everything the club does. For one, we dont know how much Ismael rates Baradji. But yes, he did have a medical here, which he failed! So just to clarify, you would be happy to replace Travis with Baradji even if he was out for months due to surgery, simply because Ismael must rate him? No concerns?

And no concerns as to the quantity of proven players we are replacing with players playing in (and often relegated from) inferior foreign leagues? Do you still think we will be top half/top 6?

[BigHoz]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So even if you scouted him, Ismael wants him, he had a medical here, does not count for owt? 

These players we’ve brought in, ismael doesn’t sign them for any other championship club if he’s in charge bar maybe the CB.  He’s been given a list of 2-3 players worth peanuts and he’s prob picking best of a crap bunch. You keep saying he wants these players 😂 he has no choice with the funds he has been given.