2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[roversfan99]

The issue I have with the Mafoumbi situation is not that we took a cheap punt on a youngster, didnt work out, thats fine.

Its that we clearly had intentions of looking abroad. So it was a total lack of foresight shown by Gestede and Owen to be willing to use up an ESC slot on a cheap punt.

[roversfan99]

3 games gone, less than 2 weeks to go in the window and we still havent done anything to improve our attack that desperately needed improvements long ago.

Guessing the Travis situation is a bottleneck before we can scramble in some nobody of a right winger and thatll be that, 4 or 5 senior bodies down.

Exciting indeed.

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

3 games gone, less than 2 weeks to go in the window and we still havent done anything to improve our attack that desperately needed improvements long ago.

Guessing the Travis situation is a bottleneck before we can scramble in some nobody of a right winger and thatll be that, 4 or 5 senior bodies down.

Exciting indeed.

We needed the right winger prior to the Travis situation so these two things should be independent of each other.

That being said, I’m sure you’re right.

[Old Codger]

21 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

If we really would accept anything around £2M i am sure there would be a lot of clubs interested.

The question is if there is anyone willing to pay £3.5M+ as I am sure that is what we will want.

Hes a proven performer in a division where a lot of clubs are spending money so id be very surprised if we dont get north of £3M. Just a matter of waiting for the bids to come out of the woodwork.

It doesn't matter if they pay £50 million - it doesn't affect the money available for replacements..

VENKYS OUT!

[Torgeir]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The issue I have with the Mafoumbi situation is not that we took a cheap punt on a youngster, didnt work out, thats fine.

Its that we clearly had intentions of looking abroad. So it was a total lack of foresight shown by Gestede and Owen to be willing to use up an ESC slot on a cheap punt.

It's football. Easy to say this in hindsight but they probably thought he had more promise than what proved to be the case, and that he would be in and around the first team by the new year. 

 

 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

It's football. Easy to say this in hindsight but they probably thought he had more promise than what proved to be the case, and that he would be in and around the first team by the new year. 

 

 

That last bit is a total guess.

Point being, for a club that had intentions of looking abroad, you surely save the slots purely for immediate first teamers.

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26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

3 games gone, less than 2 weeks to go in the window and we still havent done anything to improve our attack that desperately needed improvements long ago.

Guessing the Travis situation is a bottleneck before we can scramble in some nobody of a right winger and thatll be that, 4 or 5 senior bodies down.

Exciting indeed.

Do you think they are back peddling and negotiating another year? 

[philipl]

Has Travis been sold?

[Old Codger]

5 minutes ago, philipl said:

Has Travis been sold gone?

Fixed that for you. Matters not whether he leaves for money nor fair words. His leaving is a Travisty (pardon the pun).

[BRFC.]

6 minutes ago, philipl said:

Has Travis been sold?

No but I bet they’re itching to lower the wage bill and get rid of more experience and not invest the fee received! 

[RevidgeBlue]

It's appears to have gone so quiet on the RW position it's untrue. Indeed the only real link we've had all summer was an out of date one to the Japanese lad.

Even for this lot, not having any form of contingency plan for Dolan leaving seems negligent beyond belief. We must have known he was going for months and months.

[Torgeir]

44 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That last bit is a total guess.

Point being, for a club that had intentions of looking abroad, you surely save the slots purely for immediate first teamers.

I think we had spent the majority of the budget by then, but what do I know... Mafoumbi was presented a bit different than a U21 signing normally is, see below. So that they had aspirations for him to kick on is a pretty safe assessment, I would say. I agree with you though, and I'm positive Gestede and whoever else deals with this have learnt their lesson.
 

 

[lraC]

50 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

It doesn't matter if they pay £50 million - it doesn't affect the money available for replacements..

VENKYS OUT!

The manager accepting that, has me honestly thinking, I have no sympathy for him, despite his statement on Saturday that he is human and has feelings.

What other manager and what other club, would accept players leaving and the money they bring, not being even partially used to replace them?

[TimmyJimmy]

Maybe you know this or maybe it's one for Glen ... is the transfer budget gross or net ie gross = you can spend £5M full stop, or net = your spend versus your sale proceeds cannot exceed -£5M. I'm having a dim confused day as one makes sense to me and the other doesn't.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

That last bit is a total guess.

Point being, for a club that had intentions of looking abroad, you surely save the slots purely for immediate first teamers.

Had the Mafoumbi signing taken up the final slot, i'd then agree with you. However, correct me if i'm wrong, there were other slots available at the time so in order to bring in a potential talent, they gave him a slot. Had we refused and a rival club came in and done the same and Mafoumbi went on to become a big talent, we'd be frustrated at the club for not giving it a go.

The situation now is that he was given a chance, it hasn't worked out, we're releasing him to make the slot free. I don't really know what else the club could have done in this situation other than what they've done. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

Had the Mafoumbi signing taken up the final slot, i'd then agree with you. However, correct me if i'm wrong, there were other slots available at the time so in order to bring in a potential talent, they gave him a slot. Had we refused and a rival club came in and done the same and Mafoumbi went on to become a big talent, we'd be frustrated at the club for not giving it a go.

The situation now is that he was given a chance, it hasn't worked out, we're releasing him to make the slot free. I don't really know what else the club could have done in this situation other than what they've done. 

Signed under Eustace then loaned now a new manager never been given even efl cup game people can debate the ability all they want but the fact he was called a hotshot etc and never even given cup minutes is very very strange and now because he has that slot he is the one getting the boot…..or alternatively we could put him on 1min this sat afternoon and get the slot and keep him and loan him again 

[KentExile]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

That last bit is a total guess.

Point being, for a club that had intentions of looking abroad, you surely save the slots purely for immediate first teamers.

 

3 minutes ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

Had the Mafoumbi signing taken up the final slot, i'd then agree with you. However, correct me if i'm wrong, there were other slots available at the time so in order to bring in a potential talent, they gave him a slot. Had we refused and a rival club came in and done the same and Mafoumbi went on to become a big talent, we'd be frustrated at the club for not giving it a go.

The situation now is that he was given a chance, it hasn't worked out, we're releasing him to make the slot free. I don't really know what else the club could have done in this situation other than what they've done. 

The error the club made was not sticking him on the bench in the first few weeks of last season and giving him his debut, therefore meaning he would have earned a standard work permit last January

[RevidgeBlue]

14 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Maybe you know this or maybe it's one for Glen ... is the transfer budget gross or net ie gross = you can spend £5M full stop, or net = your spend versus your sale proceeds cannot exceed -£5M. I'm having a dim confused day as one makes sense to me and the other doesn't.

I dont know so I'm speculating but the way Gestede described it, it sounds like the transfer budget is "X" regardless of whether we make any sales or not.

If we do happen to make any sales those funds go back to the owners and are not made available for reinvestment in the side.

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever but then what does under this regime?

[neophox]

Get Mumba bumba in!!

[paullarrygher]

Glen on the podcast was told that the budget was set. It was set on the basis of not needing to make any sales. However, it was subsequently asked whether there was an agreement with owners to reinvest the funds of any player sales. Suhail said there was no agreement and he had never asked that question. 

It's insane - £5m and that may need to cover 4/5 players or 11 first team players based on sales...but any income is irrelevant. 
 

[roversfan99]

32 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

I think we had spent the majority of the budget by then, but what do I know... Mafoumbi was presented a bit different than a U21 signing normally is, see below. So that they had aspirations for him to kick on is a pretty safe assessment, I would say. I agree with you though, and I'm positive Gestede and whoever else deals with this have learnt their lesson.
 

 

Why would you have any faith in Gestede to learn lessons? Do you have any faith in him?

14 minutes ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

Had the Mafoumbi signing taken up the final slot, i'd then agree with you. However, correct me if i'm wrong, there were other slots available at the time so in order to bring in a potential talent, they gave him a slot. Had we refused and a rival club came in and done the same and Mafoumbi went on to become a big talent, we'd be frustrated at the club for not giving it a go.

The situation now is that he was given a chance, it hasn't worked out, we're releasing him to make the slot free. I don't really know what else the club could have done in this situation other than what they've done. 

There were obviously slots available. My point is, for a club with seemingly grand plans of looking abroad, knowing that a lot of players will subsequently need these slots, especially at the prices we are paying, you wouldn't tie any up for players who arent first teamers.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, paullarrygher said:

Glen on the podcast was told that the budget was set. It was set on the basis of not needing to make any sales. However, it was subsequently asked whether there was an agreement with owners to reinvest the funds of any player sales. Suhail said there was no agreement and he had never asked that question. 

It's insane - £5m and that may need to cover 4/5 players or 11 first team players based on sales...but any income is irrelevant. 
 

It is insane, without wishing to defend them maybe that batshit crazy policy was imposed to cover situations where we had the windfall sale of a particularly valuable player like Wharton or Szmodics with the thinking being the budget for the following season could be upped slightly.

It's a bit different when at least half the starting X1 are just walking out for relatively modest fees. There has at least been some acknowledgement now that we need a RW and replacements for anyone else who leaves albeit we're still waiting and anyone who comes in will probably be a lot cheaper and theoretically inferior.

[J*B]

I saw on Twitter someone saying that if Mafoumbi plays 1 minute of league football for us, he would qualify for a permit and we could move his ESC spot. Not sure how true that is - does anyone know? 

[paullarrygher]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It is insane, without wishing to defend them maybe that batshit crazy policy was imposed to cover situations where we had the windfall sale of a particularly valuable player like Wharton or Szmodics with the thinking being the budget for the following season could be upped slightly.

It's a bit different when at least half the starting X1 are just walking out for relatively modest fees. There has at least been some acknowledgement now that we need a RW and replacements for anyone else who leaves albeit we're still waiting and anyone who comes in will probably be a lot cheaper and theoretically inferior.

I mean the most insane element of it is that at the same time touting a player trading model like Brentford/Brighton, Suhail states that he has never asked the owners about reinvesting transfer funds when players are sold. 

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, J*B said:

I saw on Twitter someone saying that if Mafoumbi plays 1 minute of league football for us, he would qualify for a permit and we could move his ESC spot. Not sure how true that is - does anyone know? 

true

Doesn't even have to be a minute

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile