2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, Neal said:

Wages probably an issue but if Hyam goes... James Hill is out of contract next summer.

he is off to Leeds

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[joey_big_nose]

We do seem to be spending a bit on transfers but keeping wages low. On the surface of it seems like we are equally financially unsustainable as before,  we have just spent the money we can't afford on the fee rather than wage?

I guess built into the financial model is a % of these signings will be hits and sold for at least 2x what we paid? And presumably quite quickly - like next summer?

Would quite like to have a look at that spreadsheet whereever it is. I guess on Pasha and Rudi's laptops?

If we do well with only one signing with any championship experience (McLoughlin) that will be interesting, and confound a lot of conventional ideas about what you need to succeed in this division.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I appreciate that some people feel the club manipulates the narrative. They absolutely do, as do all clubs to varying degrees. But I cannot see for the life of me what VI has done wrong to have people question his handling of the Travis situation.

It would appear that he’s simply telling the truth. Derby did bid for him and he did say he wanted to leave. And just because Trav wanted to protect his own legacy by not divulging the fact, it doesn’t mean that VI has to lie for him. In fact, based on the reference to “an extremely unsettled last two weeks internally” as referred to by VI, I would surmise that there’s probably even more to the Travis fallout than what we know and that it’s become toxic, to the point that he was no longer welcome. VI hasn’t disclosed anything.

I think your points above is probably what has happened. I agree with many of them. A lot more to this Travis story then we actually know. 

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Neither Buckley or Trav have been mistreated as far as I can see. One hasn’t been good enough for a couple of YEARS, the other has a better financial offer and wants to leave - both can jog on. The club owes them nothing and needs to protect itself and its own interests first and foremost. Football is a series of revolving doors, one player leaves and another comes in. We’ve sold the likes of Shearer, Sutton, Duff and Bellamy. Rovers will go on without Trav and Bucko.

I agree that neither have been treated badly. Buckley need to move on when he went to Sheffield Wednesday. He needed first team football for the last 2 years. He was never suited to Eustace or Ismael style of play. 

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Unless we’re signing Morishita and Afolayan!? 👀

Maybe so. 

[roversfan99]

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I want to Gueye, we need a plan B and Gueye is that. 

Why has travis been let down? cos the head coach Ismael told the truth to a question from the media? so he should have protect the player and lied to the fans? 

what was the question asked to him? if Travis has refused to play hasn't he let down his team mates, Ismael and the fans down there? 

you seem obsessed with this twitter account and what the account has said? has the account been wrong ever? or maybe the account has been the fans the truth? 

If you think that my issue with the accuracy of the account then you clearly havent been reading. Its someone inside the club hency why everything has been right.

If you think that someone high up in the club posting transfer information through an ANONYMOUS faceless twitter account, whilst replying and dismissing supposed "doom merchants" and happily trying to paint leaving players in a bad light and the club in a good light. Is good communication, or is acceptable, or is professional. Then you really will swallow any old shit the club comes out with.

You clearly are reluctant to criticise the club. Hence why you have read the minutes and havent said a word about what you thought.

[RevidgeBlue]

28 minutes ago, rigger said:

Has he actually signed ?

Yep.

Arguably the priority position, seems really highly rated, and a relatively high value deal by our standards.

What could possibly go wrong?

(Apart from Suhail pulling the plug mid flight/us sending in the paperwork late/us mis spelling on the paperwork or us forgetting to press "send".)

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

We do seem to be spending a bit on transfers but keeping wages low. 

Are we? 

After selling Travis/ Brittain/ JRC etc?

(Genuine question - I dont know)

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, rovers11 said:

Are players even being offered a new contract? 

I think whether Hyam and Hedges sign a new contract or not will tell us a lot, particularly Hedges. He's a player who will be well within our wage structure and will have zero interest from any other championship clubs. If he goes in the next 12 months then we know current players are simply not being offered new deals.

Dunno about that. Hedges had a great game yesterday but he's a poor player overall. He could easily be allowed to leave because he's simply not good enough.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Agreed - of course we should consider context (if there’s ongoing beef between the fanbase and a player etc) but when a transfer like this breaks and the fans come out going mad because “he’s our best player” then that’s a great sign.

Defo a winger too, based on that video. Looks like he can play of the left or right and off both feet. 

Hopefully get this one done 🤞🏽

Its certainly not a perfect indicator as to how a player will do but its your best bet as to how the player has done to date. I have been criticised in the past for using it as a barometer.

Reaction to Alebiousu from St Mirren fans was that he was excellent for them in his short time. Hull fans rated McLoughlin in the main. Kortrijk fans didnt rate De Neve at all and its hard to argue based on the very limited we have seen of all 3 that the first 2 wont be more successful than the latter.

Hendriksson is perhaps an example of context too. GAIS fans loved him partly because of his personality but also he like basically all of our signings had been playing in a lesser league. He has looked off the pace so far but its very early days so hopefully he can adjust.

I didnt really see any reaction to Baradji and Tavares but the news wasnt really picked up internationally and im guessing that neither club they came from is well supported.

[KentExile]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Are we? 

After selling Travis/ Brittain/ JRC etc?

(Genuine question - I dont know)

If we are taking the higher end estimates of what players have been bought & sold for, eg, £3.5M for Brittain, £3M for Travis, £1M for JRC, £1M Buckley, £2M Tavares, £1M Henrikson, £1M Miller, £500K McLaughlin,£500K Alebiosu, £750K De Neve,, then we have probably spent ust over 50% of incoming money from sales

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[Old Codger]

Let's put a cheeky bid in to loan Sammie back from Ipswich 😉 

[Exiled_Rover]

19 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

We do seem to be spending a bit on transfers but keeping wages low. On the surface of it seems like we are equally financially unsustainable as before,  we have just spent the money we can't afford on the fee rather than wage?

I guess built into the financial model is a % of these signings will be hits and sold for at least 2x what we paid? And presumably quite quickly - like next summer?

Would quite like to have a look at that spreadsheet whereever it is. I guess on Pasha and Rudi's laptops?

If we do well with only one signing with any championship experience (McLoughlin) that will be interesting, and confound a lot of conventional ideas about what you need to succeed in this division.

Even if you take Transfermarkt at face value, we've only spent £4.8m on transfers this summer. When Travis and Buckley go (and probably Pears too - thank god) we'll be well in the black on transfer fees. 

You're right though - their reluctance to loan anyone is because that's like renting a house, you're just throwing away money. They want assets they can flip.

I think it's pretty clear the wage budget has shrunk significantly and we'll be there or there abouts in washing our face with the transfer fees (unless they go out and buy someone exceptional between now and the window closing!).

[Theaxe15]

6 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Let's put a cheeky bid in to loan Sammie back from Ipswich 😉 

Not that this would happen either way but I could definitely see Szmodics dropping out of their team soon enough. He’s had his year.

[Tomphil2]

39 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

They've absolutely slashed the wage budget again. 

That hard and fast £10k weekly salary ceiling seems to absolutely be a thing. 

Another conspiracy that turned out to probably not be one so we better enjoy Cantwell whilst he's here because once he's sold/gone there'll be no more 20 grand a week signings of his ilk.

[Tomphil2]

2 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Not that this would happen either way but I could definitely see Szmodics dropping out of their team soon enough. He’s had his year.

It's all about styles of play and he just doesn't fit theirs but he still makes a nuisance of himself but he was never really a poacher. Here due to the defensive nature and hitting on the break he often had acres of space to attack.

Now there he's trying to be first to the knockdowns and half chances in the box and he's being outmuscled.

[simongarnerisgod]

7 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

Not that this would happen either way but I could definitely see Szmodics dropping out of their team soon enough. He’s had his year.

sammie needs to play on the centre backs shoulder,he is`nt a hold up man,give him plenty of through balls and runs at the defender and he`s great.not sure we are set up that way.though id`e love to have him back here,though our pittance wage structure means it`s never going to happen

[Christopher]

2 hours ago, Neal said:

6 goals 5 assists last season. Still got a few years on his contract with Legia so not sure he'll be a cheap one. Do they have financial issues?

14 goals 14 assists across all competitions last season.

[joey_big_nose]

26 minutes ago, KentExile said:

If we are taking the higher end estimates of what players have been bought & sold for, eg, £3.5M for Brittain, £3M for Travis, £1M for JRC, £1M Buckley, £2M Tavares, £1M Henrikson, £1M Miller, £500K McLaughlin,£500K Alebiosu, £750K De Neve,, then we have probably spent ust over 50% of incoming money from sales

Yes... obviously we have spent less than incoming, but I was under the assumption we would not try and spend anything really so we could use the money on operating costs, but we have paid decent fees for players (if reported accurately, but I can't really see why it would be inaccurate). 

I guess the idea is to save a lot of money on wages, and hope to develop and sell on some players. 

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If you think that my issue with the accuracy of the account then you clearly havent been reading. Its someone inside the club hency why everything has been right.

If you think that someone high up in the club posting transfer information through an ANONYMOUS faceless twitter account, whilst replying and dismissing supposed "doom merchants" and happily trying to paint leaving players in a bad light and the club in a good light. Is good communication, or is acceptable, or is professional. Then you really will swallow any old shit the club comes out with.

Why has travis been let down? cos the head coach Ismael told the truth to a question from the media? so he should have protect the player and lied to the fans? what was the question asked to him? if Travis has refused to play hasn't he let down his team mates, Ismael and the fans down there? 

Yes of course its someone high up within the club, who I don't know. TBH, I read the posts and I mentioned to few people at our last home games. They haven't read about cos they aren't on twitter but you are giving it far too much air time and focusing on it. If you think fans opinions changed on things based on the anonymous account, I think you are way off. 

Has my opinion on Travis changed cos of this account? no. If he wants to leave and go to Derby to play for Eustace, that's fine, Derby pay the asking price and he goes, no problem for me. Yes I would have like him to say and commit here long term but that's not the situation, he wants more than what we can afford. 

Did Travis refuse to play as that account said last week? I don't know but clearly something has happened behind the scenes hence why no questions at that Friday press conference and since that really. Think what Paul Mani has suggestion is a good possibly shout tho it could be something else. 

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You clearly are reluctant to criticise the club.

Criticise the club for what? a twitter account posted some things on social? is that any different to a fan saying he has heard that or this? 

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hence why you have read the minutes and havent said a word about what you thought.

Does it really matter that I haven't said much on the minutes or Glen and Kidder podcast? you are obsessed, many people on here haven't said owt on that issue so are criticising them aswell? 

[Old Codger]

4 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

sammie needs to play on the centre backs shoulder,he is`nt a hold up man,give him plenty of through balls and runs at the defender and he`s great.not sure we are set up that way.though id`e love to have him back here,though our pittance wage structure means it`s never going to happen

We could offer a 'contribution' to wages to reduce the overhead for Ipswich.. But thinking about it, he'd never reach those dizzy heights again, the way this team is set up..

[joey_big_nose]

4 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

sammie needs to play on the centre backs shoulder,he is`nt a hold up man,give him plenty of through balls and runs at the defender and he`s great.not sure we are set up that way.though id`e love to have him back here,though our pittance wage structure means it`s never going to happen

Yeah - people still describe him as an attacking midfielder but he's an out an out striker since his second season at Rovers where he started banging them in. More like Adam Armstrong or a Championship Craig Bellamy than any midfielder I can think of. 

[RevidgeBlue]

49 minutes ago, KentExile said:

If we are taking the higher end estimates of what players have been bought & sold for, eg, £3.5M for Brittain, £3M for Travis, £1M for JRC, £1M Buckley, £2M Tavares, £1M Henrikson, £1M Miller, £500K McLaughlin,£500K Alebiosu, £750K De Neve,, then we have probably spent ust over 50% of incoming money from sales

If those figures are roughly accurate then, there "should" be room to bring in the Japanese lad.

[USABlue]

Japanese lad looks good on the video , but when do they not.  I like Jaoanese players they almost all seem full of energy and attack first seems to be the mind set.  Could be fun watching him and Ohashi in the same team.  Hope the refs can give him better protection than they do Yuri.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, USABlue said:

Japanese lad looks good on the video , but when do they not.  I like Jaoanese players they almost all seem full of energy and attack first seems to be the mind set.  Could be fun watching him and Ohashi in the same team.  Hope the refs can give him better protection than they do Yuri.

If he joins, we'll have to learn his name fairly quickly USA or someone will no doubt take offence to us referring to him as "the Japanese lad".

😆

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, Neal said:

I love Japanese players. Does he qualify?

Yes, he qualifies as being a Japanese player 😉

[roversfan99]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why has travis been let down? cos the head coach Ismael told the truth to a question from the media? so he should have protect the player and lied to the fans? what was the question asked to him? if Travis has refused to play hasn't he let down his team mates, Ismael and the fans down there? 

Yes of course its someone high up within the club, who I don't know. TBH, I read the posts and I mentioned to few people at our last home games. They haven't read about cos they aren't on twitter but you are giving it far too much air time and focusing on it. If you think fans opinions changed on things based on the anonymous account, I think you are way off. 

Has my opinion on Travis changed cos of this account? no. If he wants to leave and go to Derby to play for Eustace, that's fine, Derby pay the asking price and he goes, no problem for me. Yes I would have like him to say and commit here long term but that's not the situation, he wants more than what we can afford. 

Did Travis refuse to play as that account said last week? I don't know but clearly something has happened behind the scenes hence why no questions at that Friday press conference and since that really. Think what Paul Mani has suggestion is a good possibly shout tho it could be something else. 

Criticise the club for what? a twitter account posted some things on social? is that any different to a fan saying he has heard that or this? 

Does it really matter that I haven't said much on the minutes or Glen and Kidder podcast? you are obsessed, many people on here haven't said owt on that issue so are criticising them aswell? 

The thing is, no one has actually had the bollocks to say exactly what Travis is meant to have done wrong. Has he refused to play? He happily played the West Brom game and was on the bench against Bradford.

It just plants seeds which is enough to turn some fans against the departing players. 

You are still naively thinking that Travis is leaving purely out a strong desire to work for Eustace again. Had we offered a proper wage to him then I am sure that he would have stayed. There is too much of a pattern but the club clearly dont want us to focus on that. There is a reason why we havent got any players to sign a new deal in so long.

The irony is that Gestede himself refused to play to engineer a move when here.

Your refusal to comment on the minutes add to mine and many others assumptions that you are incredibly reluctant to criticise the club.

You are also very big on communication. You dismiss the unprofessional method of using a anonymous twitter handle to do so, and refuse to comment entirely on Suhail and co literally amending minutes as to what was said with fans to try and make the club look better.

Edited 2 hours ago by roversfan99