Lewis Travis…The Man Who (wanted to leave)

[aletheia]

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Anybody who refuses to play for Blackburn Rovers goes down a long way in my estimation.

Gestede should be on his way then.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Gestede should be on his way then.

He should have never been allowed back in the first place.

[BRFC.]

9 hours ago, M_B said:

 

The good news here is that the club might actually be starting to work more "normally". Cashing in on both Britain and Travis who wouldn't sign contracts is a welcome change of direction. 

If you genuinely believe the club is going into a good direction you’re a fool, unless the venkys have all of a sudden decided to sell the club that is. It is more worrying they’re unable to tie down key players for me

[Eddie]

30 minutes ago, BRFC. said:

If you genuinely believe the club is going into a good direction you’re a fool, unless the venkys have all of a sudden decided to sell the club that is. It is more worrying they’re unable to tie down key players for me

It is smarter than letting players leave on a free. That is undeniable. 

[DE.]

If there's one thing that should be obvious by now, it's that even when the club appears to be running "sensibly", the owners will find away to sabotage everything in due course. It's as inevitable as our annual post-Christmas collapse. 

[JHRover]

We've been down this delusional track before. Remember when Mowbray was here? People convincing themselves we were building sustainably, following a plan, working normally. 

Then we had the Broughton / JDT experiment and that was another occasion of us acting normally and putting in place a structure that would take us somewhere and last. They made sure that lasted all of 12 months before they smashed it to smithereens. 

We completely changed track under Eustace to a traditional model of bringing in short term relatively cheap options and relying on our established players, we made sure that was abandoned after 8 months by appointing Gestede over the top of him and refusing to extend any contracts.

Now we are on to experiment 4 in the space of 4 years. Might work, probably won't because even if it goes well the ownership/regime will either introduce further budget cuts or remove those overseeing it and go down a different path again in the near future. 

It isn't normal, it isn't healthy, it isn't sustainable. The only thing it is doing is (in theory) cutting losses every year whilst the club is being hollowed out from within with good people being forced out and replaced with nonentities who don't understand the club. 

On the topic of cost cuts despite all the evidence pointing that way I still wouldn't be surprised to see losses exceed £15 million again, that's the one constant here under Venkys.

[G Somerset Rover]

17 minutes ago, DE. said:

If there's one thing that should be obvious by now, it's that even when the club appears to be running "sensibly", the owners will find away to sabotage everything in due course. It's as inevitable as our annual post-Christmas collapse. 

This is why I'll never get carried away under this lot. Even if Ismael pulls off a minor miracle with our new cohort and we're in and around the top six come the new year, it means nothing. We will never get promoted under Venky's - they and Pasha will see to that. Just as they have done on multiple occasions already.

Edited 3 hours ago by G Somerset Rover

[Crimpshrine]

11 hours ago, M_B said:

The good news here is that the club might actually be starting to work more "normally". Cashing in on both Britain and Travis who wouldn't sign contracts is a welcome change of direction. 

How can selling decent Championship players with vast experience and replacing them with cheaper, unproven players be good news  ? It is cost cutting which could turn out to be false economy once all the saleable playing assets are gone.

The policy is driven by Pasha wanting to save money for his employers not by any ambition to build a decent team.

[Gordon Gekko]

So glad we are out, did they really say that? Jees

[philipl]

Travis was a very competent defensive midfielder and reliable yellow card collector who is the sort of player oppositions prefer not to come up against.

A great servant of the club but at his age time to cash in from football while he still can.

Good luck to him.

In the cold world of money, he is worth more to Derby than he is to Rovers.

As someone else posted, Adam Wharton was a kick in the balls of every Rovers supporter. This is business.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Travis was a very competent defensive midfielder and reliable yellow card collector who is the sort of player oppositions prefer not to come up against.

A great servant of the club but at his age time to cash in from football while he still can.

Good luck to him.

In the cold world of money, he is worth more to Derby than he is to Rovers.

As someone else posted, Adam Wharton was a kick in the balls of every Rovers supporter. This is business.

Good business would have been retaining the squad that got us into the top 6 last season for low cost - simply by offering appropriate new terms to Batth, Hyam, Travis, Brittain, Dolan and Tronstad.

Good business would be investing from a position of strength whilst things are going well on the pitch and not totally dismantling a good squad for no real reason other than saving on wages and giving Rudy a project to prove himself. 

End of the day if Derby finish 21st and we finish 22nd then they are laughing all the way and our business has cost the club tens of millions and possibly its existence by sliding into League One. 

We can say with some confidence that we wouldn't be in relegation trouble had we kept last season's squad intact. Can we say the same now with what business we have done? I don't think so. 

[M_B]

3 hours ago, BRFC. said:

If you genuinely believe the club is going into a good direction you’re a fool, unless the venkys have all of a sudden decided to sell the club that is. It is more worrying they’re unable to tie down key players for me

Not disputing the contract bit ,but if the player isn't signing, then sell them.

 

[Waggy76]

2 hours ago, philipl said:

Travis was a very competent defensive midfielder and reliable yellow card collector who is the sort of player oppositions prefer not to come up against.

A great servant of the club but at his age time to cash in from football while he still can.

Good luck to him.

In the cold world of money, he is worth more to Derby than he is to Rovers.

As someone else posted, Adam Wharton was a kick in the balls of every Rovers supporter. This is business.

I agree to a point but whoever the replacement is will be a downgrade and as been for 15 years !

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

How can selling decent Championship players with vast experience and replacing them with cheaper, unproven players be good news  ? It is cost cutting which could turn out to be false economy once all the saleable playing assets are gone.

The policy is driven by Pasha wanting to save money for his employers not by any ambition to build a decent team.

You've either misunderstood or you're deliberately being awkward. How many players have we lost for nothing? If a player isn't going to sign ,or the manager doesn't want him, then he should be sold if there's a decent fee involved.

As opposed to losing them for nothing, which has been the way for some time.

If bringing £6/7 million in rather than nothing isn't good news, you'll need to explain. 

[EgyptianPete]

3 hours ago, JHRover said:

We've been down this delusional track before. Remember when Mowbray was here? People convincing themselves we were building sustainably, following a plan, working normally. 

Then we had the Broughton / JDT experiment and that was another occasion of us acting normally and putting in place a structure that would take us somewhere and last. They made sure that lasted all of 12 months before they smashed it to smithereens. 

We completely changed track under Eustace to a traditional model of bringing in short term relatively cheap options and relying on our established players, we made sure that was abandoned after 8 months by appointing Gestede over the top of him and refusing to extend any contracts.

Now we are on to experiment 4 in the space of 4 years. Might work, probably won't because even if it goes well the ownership/regime will either introduce further budget cuts or remove those overseeing it and go down a different path again in the near future. 

It isn't normal, it isn't healthy, it isn't sustainable. The only thing it is doing is (in theory) cutting losses every year whilst the club is being hollowed out from within with good people being forced out and replaced with nonentities who don't understand the club. 

On the topic of cost cuts despite all the evidence pointing that way I still wouldn't be surprised to see losses exceed £15 million again, that's the one constant here under Venkys.

Just listened to Mowbray on tippy tappy, when asked why did he not ask Venkys for more money when we had a chance of promotion he said I didn't want to ask for more, they are lovely people etc etc. Oh an he thinks Pasha is a good guy