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I'm sure he does want to be top scorer as well, but if that was his sole motivation then I'd have expected this selfish streak to have been present throughout his time here. With that said he has never been prolific as far as assists are concerned. 6 last season and only 3 in the year before that. Definitely far more of a goal scorer than a creator of chances.

Arma's selfishness seems to have increased lately. He may be feeling the pressure of being top scorer and being expected to hit the back of the net in every match. It isn't healthy for us to have such a huge reliance on one player to score, so it would be worthwhile for TM and the coaching staff to work with Armstrong on his team game. Getting more players in the goal mix lessens the pressure on Armstrong and benefits the team long-term.

I wouldn't disagree that he's done a good job overall in the circumstances. I just don't think he's the man to push us further than mid-table. He'd go with my thanks and no hard feelings, but we need a manager with a bit more tactical nous and ruthlessness. My main concern in regards to waiting until the end of the season is that I think we may be coming to the end of a Venky cycle, meaning next summer will be all about sales and cost-cutting. I think this may be the last season we have in the current cycle to go up, and I don't think TM is going to get us there based on the season so far. Obviously it's Venky's so spinning the wheel is a risk, but excluding Coyle their managerial appointments since the end of the Kean/Berg/Appleton era have been OK. I don't think we're guaranteed to get a total dud. The main issue is that whoever comes in effectively starts from scratch, as the club is repeatedly rebuilt in the image of whatever manager is at the helm. The owners refuse to implment a sensible infrastructure which makes removing the manager a much more difficult process than it should be.

We look knackered and aren't playing well at all. We can get away with it against teams like Rotherham and Millwall, but O'Neill's Stoke will punish us if we once again turn up looking like we've just staggered out of the nearest pub. Heart says we reverse our performance level and mental block versus teams above us and grab a 2-1 win (little chance of a clean sheet) but head says 2-0 loss and an easy afternoon for Stoke.

We haven't played consistently well at any point during TM's tenure, and I include our promotion season in that. We've had spells of looking decent, but it always ends up reverting to what we're seeing now. Results matter, but I've seen nothing this season to suggest we're going anywhere other than mid-table under the current manager. I'm personally not happy with mid-table, so it would make no sense for me to want Mowbray to stay. It's a long-term view for me rather than short-term. Obviously if people feel we are going in the right direction under TM then fair enough, you'll want him to stick around. Just because I don't see it doesn't mean others can't. We all have different views. Just wish it didn't have to constantly devolve to name-calling on both sides.

This is disgraceful. Mowbray's time is up.

To be honest I stopped watching NXT fairly soon after it moved to TV. It was clear that Vince was getting involved and infecting it with the modern WWE virus, and at that point it was game over for me. If it wasn't for AEW I probably wouldn't be watching any wrestling at all right now.

I can't see Venky's/Suhail and Keane working together for long. Also I am guessing Keane isn't part of the agency they seem to hire all of our managers from?

Fair point, acknowledged.

Can you see/post in the Ask a Question forum? https://www.brfcs.com/mb/index.php?/forums/forum/107-ask-a-question/ This would be the best place to get attention from admin/mods on technical issues affecting the site post-upgrade. Appreciate the 'like' button being invisible is an issue and will hopefully be fixed soon. If there are any other issues then I would definitely suggest posting it in 'Ask a Question' as it will get our attention and also allow people with the same question a chance to potentially see the answer.

If you tap where the 'like' button would normally be it should appear. It does on my phone anyway!

We came close to appointing Warnock once upon a time, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility we could strike lucky at some point. I can't say I'm optimistic, but I have to retain some hope or I might as well completely give up on Rovers until Venky's leave.

Do Venky's really have an appalling recent track record though? Take the first couple of years out of the equation and the only terrible appointment they've made since the 12/13 season was Coyle. Bowyer, Lambert and Mowbray have all been middle-of-the-road steady eddies. Any club can hire a dud (Ipswich basically sealed their doom by hiring Paul Hurst), but I don't think Venky's are worse than most other owners when it comes to appointing managers, so it's not as big of a risk as some make out imo. For the record this is not me defending Venky's in any way and I wouldn't expect them to appoint anyone better than TM. I just don't think it's nailed on that they would appoint somebody so much worse that we'd plummet into oblivion as a result.

We aren't really comparable as they actually did get into the playoffs and had a lot less money available to spend. But that's the benefit of having a manager who can get the best out of a squad and builds from the back. The football may not be pretty but the team as a whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Similar to how we were under Allardyce back in the PL days. I think Mick McCarthy would have a very good shot of getting this team promoted - not that we'll ever get to see it.

Genuinely despise this disingenous nonsense, even worse when it's spouted by the manager. "But it's true" - yeah, but stripped of all context. We went down with 51 points which was frankly ridiculous and would have seen us safe almost any other season. We didn't have to sell a single player. Instead we bought the best player in League 1 and added to the squad. As a result we romped the league despite not playing very well at any point during the campaign. So, since we got relegated 8 years ago we've spent one solitary season in League 1 - which was a blip caused by the stupidity of our owners hiring a useless manager and waiting until February to sack him. That aside we've finished between 7th - 15th every season, barring the chaotic 12/13 season. To talk us down like we're Luton or Wycombe trying to find our way is insulting. It's embarrassing enough to hear it from our own fans, let alone the manager. No wonder we don't have the mentality to beat the top teams when the manager himself regards us in such a lowly fashion. I can only repeat, we need a winner who understands and embraces what this club should be.

Indeed, like the kind of comments you hear when a plucky underdog gives a top team a good game in one of the cups. "Improvement year on year" is a blatant lie and proves he has no idea what he's talking about, as a post in this very thread has shown.

Majority of fans still back him and would probably back him at this point even if he relegated us again. "Got us out of League 1 once, so we have to give him the chance to do it again", etc. Owners don't care and likely get told what they want to hear from whoever is speaking to them at the time. Waggott will never even consider removing TM by his own volition. Only way he leaves if if he resigns, and we're nowhere near that. Another mid-table nothing finish this season - meanwhile contracts running out on various players and eventually TM will be pressured to start selling as the reintroduction of FFP looms next season.

Of the top six teams last season Brentford had lost the most, with 13 defeats (but came 3rd, funnily enough). For most teams it was 11 or 12. Going to have to have one hell of a second half of the season to get anywhere now. The manager is under no obvious pressure though, with a mate as a boss and owners who effectively checked out eight years ago, so no reason to think Mowbray is going to change his ways. Great if you love the Championship, as it guarantees us being here for a while to come. Not so great if as a fan you have any serious ambition for our club.

I had given up on promotion after we were beaten by a poor Bristol City team (who got beaten 2-0 and dominated by Rotherham today, btw). Even with Dack and Trav back it's just going to be another inevitable march towards mid-table, with the usual winning streaks and losing streaks that have become so common during Mowbray's time here. We desperately need a winner in the dugout who understands the importance of defending in the modern game. As a defender you'd think TM would get that, but his managerial career proves without a shadow of a doubt he does not understand it and has no intention of learning that lesson.

If the team is good enough then most of the time they'll do enough in the match to make bad luck mostly meaningless or a minor setback. Against the better teams this season we simply aren't doing enough, so every piece of 'bad luck' is a killer blow.

Good teams make their own luck, poor teams bemoan theirs.

Rotherham 2-0 Bristol City... ffs.

Assume we can't send Douglas back in January? I'd terminate his loan immediately if possible. Not the right person for what we require in that position. The fact Bell looks more capable says it all.

A manager with the ability to build from the back could have this squad challenging for the top six, I'm sure of that. Mowbray has never been and will never be that man. That's why with him at the helm we'll be stuck in mid-table forever. Eventually the incremental gains will cease, and much like GB it will get stale and begin regressing at a similar pace.

He had quite a few injuries before coming here, and unfortunately at his age they take a toll. He's never been quick anyway, so god knows what our recruitment department were thinking beyond 'omg we need a left back anyone will do'. It makes no sense to have brought him in at all if our current formation was always the plan for this season.