Coldest for me ... Roker Park '86. Lost 3-0 to boot IIRC Perishing that place.

I personally wouldn't be keen on Hughes. His success with us was over a decade ago. I'd rather that we looked forwards.

Waggott should be hauled over the coals for this. It's 100% on his watch.

The state of the pitch is obviously an issue. What irks me with Mowbray's comments though, is him publically calling it out as he has on the back of yet another dismal showing, and seemingly laying the blame on it for the result. The pitch didn't stop Rothwell running 30 yards, nor Armstrong latching on and finishing. The pitch wasn't the reason why we gifted yet another goal from a set play. It wasn't the reason why Stoke were the better side.

I don't necessarily agree with the view that the players are all that much. Mowbray has reached his ceiling and has taken us as far as he's capable, but I'm not convinced another manager would get that much more out of this set of players. A better manager would find better players though.

I think we agree! I'd love nothing more that for us to go out and stick 5 past Swansea on Tuesday. That wouldnt change my view though; looking at Mowbray's tenure holistically and realistically, he's run his course, we ain't going anywhere soon, and a change is needed.

Did I say I was happy with the manager? Did I say I was 'happy with any old rubbish' ? Err...no I didn't. My view is quite the contrary, thanks all the same. Mowbray is a busted flush; sooner or later he will be gone. In the meantime, I never want us to lose, whereas some people apparently are.

It really isn't.

Unbelievable wanting us to ever lose. Each to their own I guess.

So you'd prefer Rovers to lose rather than get a point? With 'fans' like you....

I think there's more of a player in Buckley than we are currently seeing. But he needs to start showing it before his career fizzles out. He's definitely not a right back, that's for sure.

The missed chance by Buckley summed it up for me; there's no winners in the side. A winner would have busted a gut to get the ball over the line.

Good spot - you could well be right. Which then begs the question of how many 'free' senior slots we have, and whether we need to move someone out to make room for a defender loan?

Completely agree about him having a good game, constantly tracked back to help Douglas out at RB. He was knackered at the end.

Exactly this. Chapman has freed a 1st team squad place up, so we may see a defensive loan come in. In the meantime, Mowbray will be crossing his fingers on Travis returning, Ayala getting fitter, and Douglas miraculously being able to run. Risky business though, with some difficult games coming up in January.

First post from me, so here goes... We can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives, no matter whom Mowbray picks in the back 4 or what exotic formation he tries to instill. 2-1 loss. I hope I'm wrong.