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The point is I was making was a general point about central defenders around 30 not anybody in particular. I wasn't counting in fact Fans just don't get excited about them. We take them for granted--experienced,reliable and solid---like your favourite overcoat! I think this "discussion" has run its course.

Are you off your rocker? I've only been on the site for a few minutes! For the point I was making, the exact age doesn't matter. I'm saying a 30 years old centre-back signing doesn't create excitement. I could have put 30+ but does it matter? Go away and annoy someone else

If you look carefully I was responding to a post about Baath!

You simply don't get excited about signing a 30 year old centre-back!! Its, as everybody agrees, a solid signing hardly the stuff of wet dreams!

That's because other teams have used loans to boost their chances of promotion while we have no such ambition.

We were the 2nd lowest spenders last season after Rotherham. To say we over-achieved is a big under-statement. As for the wage/turnover issue, we are well clear of difficulty there after sales but hardly any money is ever made available for transfers. As for the Academy, I'm suggesting that while we think its there to provide players for the first team squad, increasingly its looking like its there to earn money to keep the club going. And, of course, while they're here these young players are cheap. As for "we have a lot to be proud of" tell that to the women's team. In truth we have a lot to be ashamed of and so much to be angry about. The club is dying season by season. No better decisions, it's a tale of wasted opportunities which suck the life-blood out of us and will lead to relegation and administration. That's my firm belief. You'll call it negativity, I'll call it realism. And as for Racing Santander and the rest, what about Wrexham or even Bolton and Burnley? No good telling me things could be worse. Venkys have had 15 years and things get worse every season.

What sort of vanilla argument is that? You agree that "Venkys have been horrible owners in a lot of aspects" (interested in how that implies they have been good owners in other aspects---care to share that, I must have missed it?). "It's impossible to say we would be better off with other owners"--- of course it is! You're stating a hypothesis which is incapable of being contradicted! In the real world what's the chances of new owners being better than Venkys? 99.99999% recurring?

Well I read what I wrote but you could be right. Either way its a scandal.

My error. Even more laughable. £22M with add-ons.

So, according to Palace, Adam's value has increased by £70M in one season with them. Yeah right! Another interpretation---he was worth more than £30M. I hope for his sake he doesn't go to Spurs. I would add that I'd glad to see my club receive a big pay-off from any deal but since we will see none of it I can't get excited.

Sorry but if you're trying to cheer us up, that's not very convincing for more reasons than one.

That's a Twiggy team (not much up-front).

No point praising how good some of our younger players are when the Premier Leaguee sharks are always circling. We get excited at the prospect, then they're off.

No, they're not irreplaceable, but you are assuming they will be replaced by 2 players who are better. I don't have the same confidence.

It'll be more than he's been offered at Ewood and that's what counts.

It would make more sense to go to the nearest casino and put £10M on red!

Really? Do tell!

He also argues that the fans, can't expect much in the way of transfers because our attendances are so low!

Not a concern to this learned poster to the LT: in reply to Gary Ginger Roverend14th July 10:52 pm User ID: 5471465 Agree, Travis, in particular has held the club to ransom way too often now. Get what we can for him and let’s add some pace and power in that midfield. Last Updated: 9 hrs ago

We will move on but we won't move up!

But we should have built on that every season and got stronger and stronger till we got promoted. That's how it works isn't it? Its not a sensible response to argue we've still got some experienced players left. Have we enough of them got avoid relegation? When do their contracts run out? We are sliding into nothingness. I realise I'm on ignore but maybe others will agree with me.

Yes I was just starting to worry but Woakes has fixed me. Great display from Captain Stokes, what a warrior he is. Very long spell at his age and given his injury history. Always leads by example. Assuming we win next two tests will be seismic.

Wow! 112 for 8. Surely we will win now!

Could go either way but we must be favourites right now.

Its amazing how many greedy, selfish and disloyal players we've had in recent years!