RevidgeBlue

I think that's a really weak argument, we're only seven points off 19th as well if you want to take the glass half empty approach. We're going to have to put quite a decent run together to actually break into and establish ourselves in the top 6 and the argument in favour of Mowbray always seems to be "if we plait sawdust for the rest of the season we can break into the top 6". We never have done thus far and I wouldn't say "only" being six points off the top six after only 18 games is some sort of badge of honour. There's nothing really to say with any degree of confidence that it's anymore likely that those 6 points won't extrapolate into 15 over a 46 game season rather than the other way round.

We're not doing very well either. Lost a relatively high proportion of our games, and as many as we've won. I think most people would agree we have a better squad then in the last two seasons yet results remain disappointingly poor. It takes some doing to underperform no matter what calibre of player you have out there. The one common denominator is the manager who doesn't seem to have any sort of target other than being able to challenge for the play offs (whatever that means) at some unspecified point in the future. I think that's the root of the problem, the players are under no real pressure to perform, a couple of bad results and it's just a shrug of the shoulders and "We go again Wednesday" etc. "This time next year Rodney........"

What's the point in wasting the rest of this season by allowing him to remain in charge?

Amazed anyone buys this sort of "it takes ten years for anything good to happen" type nonsense. After getting promoted from the Championship to the Premier League through the play offs under Dalglish we finished 4th, 2nd and 1st. People would no doubt argue that was down to Jack's wallet but it is still a great achievement. Good things tend to happen very quickly when a manager knows what they're doing. Where are we after 3 years with Mowbray -15th, 10th, probably 14th or 15th again. For a more accurate comparison re finances Howard Kendall took us up from the old 3rd division and then missed out on promotion to the top flight the following season on goal difference with the same group of players and far less financial support than Mowbray has had because he was a good manager and didn't need to waffle on about supposed long term plans to excuse poor performance. Bumbling along in lower mid table under a crap manager, I'm sick of it, I mean what's the point?

I've been saying it since January or February of 2019 but he needs to go, we'll never get anywhere good with this manager in charge. The triple substitution today was an affront to everyone's intelligence. What was the plan? Anyone and I mean anyone could just make a triple change simply to keep everyone happy and give them a bit of a run out. Absolute joke. He's been extremely well backed as well. Never been put under any pressure to sell players or keep the size of the squad under control or cull the deadwood. Simply been allowed to accumulate more and more players. Sadly the day of financial reckoning will presumably have to come sooner rather than later and by the time Mowbray leaves with his pension pot bursting at the seams I think we'll be lucky if we're any better off than at the point when he arrived.

The only one of our centre halves to consistently look the part this season has been Wharton imo. When fit he'd be my first one in with probably Ayala alongside - if he can be bothered. Failing that didn't think k the combination of Wharton and Lenihan looked too bad.

I think Bell has done well when called upon this season to be fair. Not suggesting he's the answer if we were to have promotion aspirations but still. Douglas has been woeful for me.

And Douglas is crap as well. Bell's been far better this season.

As per usual the commentators on i-follow were watching a completely different game. Whilst we were ok going forward first half, defensively we were dire Pukki should have had two more, the young lad Martin should have had another and they should also have had another right at the end. Not half chances either, absolute sitters it was harder to miss than score. Up against a decent centre half in Hanley Armstrong never got a kick. No fight in them whatsoever after the second goal. The triple substitution on 70 mins was an absolute joke and made things even worse. Elliott excellent - he isn't even our player- Nyambe very good - he'll be off soon - the rest - meh. Season over yet again and it isn't even Christmas. How many more chances is this buffoon of a manager going to get?

Not sure how a week that could produce one point out of nine qualifies as a "good" one. IF (and it's a very big "if") we beat Norwich I'd say that would be an ok week, draw and that would be a poor one. Another loss would be a very poor one.

Ah yes I forgot. We haven't given him a new contract so you're maintaining he's s h I t. Wasn't great on the goal, apart from that thought he had an excellent game.

Was an enjoyable game until the first substitution, then it all seemed to go to pieces. I think Moggasaurus has made poor changes in each of the last three games and got away with it the last two but not tonight. Rothwell and Nyambe the pick for me.Kaminsky had two or three kamikaze moments that would have had the board in meltdown had it been Raya but he got away with them. One point from two games isn't going to cut the mustard, whilst we did well to rescue a point with ten men Saturday, a team headed for promotion would have nicked a narrow victory tonight rather than the other way round. We need a manager who will drill a winning mentality into them otherwise we're going nowhere this season and face a mass exodus next.

Was going to say Nyambe but thought both he and Ayala were pretty powder puff on the goal.

Agreed. He's been disappointing for me given the build up when he signed.

Decent looking side. Could do with the three points to keep the momentum going after being hampered by the sending off on Saturday. On the appeal, not surprised it was rejected, I thought Lenihan got wrong side and wrestled the Brentford player to the floor. From Lenihan's point of view, nailed on dismissal already being on a yellow, even if it wasn't adjudged a straight red and from the Club's point of view complete waste of an appeal as Mercer says.

Not sure why, in Nyambe's case especially it won't be with us! I think the Covid situation is a convenvenient excuse and a complete red herring. The need to tie down our best players on a long term basis was evident long before anyone ever heard of Covid and every Club is in the same boat in that respect. We are also completely reliant on our owners to fund the operation anyhow, we don't come anywhere near to washing our face financially without their backing at the best of times.

Dear me, based on their times here Mowbray isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Furphy for me, just imagine what Ken could have done with the highest wage bill in the division by a country mile and the 70's equivalent of spending £1m on Bradley Dack. I'd also say Smith's career overall indicates he was a far better manager than Mowbray. I'd say Don Mackay was also streets ahead of Mowbray on a far worse budget as well. Didn't rate Saxton at all so there's not much to choose between them there, would probably give Mowbray the slight edge based on his (heavily bankrolled) League 1 promotion.

I blame Moggasaurus and the spiv Swaggott. Venky's probably aren't even aware this is such a major issue and that the situation was so urgent. It's probably too late now. There always seems to be plenty of money to give over the hill and/or average players like Mulgrew, Evans, Bennett or Graham an un necessarily generous and lengthy contract extension. Or give a non playing player like Gladwin another deal because we were feeling sorry for him or pay Hart and Smallwood for 12 months to do nothing then give them another month when the season was extended. Or give Downing another deal to top up his pension fund. But when it comes to securing a key player, "computer says no". It's down to the manager to anticipate these potential problems well in advance, recognise who is a key player and who isn't, keep the squad size under control and dispense ruthlessly with deadwood so that we can look after our important players when the time comes.

What's the situation regarding half season tickets/passes? Are we doing them this season or simply not bothering? I just clicked on the website and it looks like anyone wanting to purchase a pass for the remainder of the season, or give one as a Christmas present would still have to pay the full season price! Come on Rovers! Surely even Swag can do better than that!

Well that's one of the "bonus" points in the bag. Another four or five wins in fairly quick fashion and we'll be in good shape and that's the mentality we need to have and the immediate target we should be setting to get in an around the top 2.

Way too much pessimism above. I've yet to see another Championship side I've been particularly impressed with this season and we need to be going into every game with the mindset that it's a winnable fixture and perform accordingly. None of this we'll settle for 3 draws or WLD malarkey.

Thought we looked far more solid defensively when Wharton was playing myself. Unfortunately I don't suppose he'll get much of a look in if Ayala and Lenihan are fit.

Didn't think we played that badly last night, thought Millwall looked a very decent side. The only thing that puzzled me was what I thought was an appalling triple substitution on 73 mins. 1-1 at home and we bring off two forwards (Gallagher and Elliott) and arguably our most creative midfielder in Holtby and bring on another 3 midfielders. I also thought Gallagher and Elliott were two of our slightly better performers on the night. (I didn't agree with withdrawing Armstrong for the last two or three minutes either as it left us without any form of out whatsoever) After the triple substitution I thought we dropped off and I held out no hope of us nicking the vital three points until Armstrong not having done a bean all night popped up unexpectedly which is a sign of a really good goalscorer. So we got away with it despite Tombola Tony giving everyone a run out to keep them happy. It just goes to show how important the result is, if we'd played brilliantly the last two games and lost everyone would be on the floor, we scrape a couple of streaky victories and everyone is over the moon. That's what we'll have to continue to do over the course of the season if we want to challenge. Still think we have the squad but not the manager but let's see!

Won't be the case by the end of the season though, general rule of thumb, you need roughly two points per game to guarantee automatic promotion. Right now we're seven points behind that mark so over the course of the season we'd be likely to need to average two points per game plus five or six "bonus" points!

I think it's quite negative to be trying to break into the top 6, we should be aiming for the top 2 then we have the playoffs as a fall back if we fail to make it. On that basis the manager should be trying to drum into the players that sooner rather than later we need a run of six consecutive wins to get up to the two points per game mark. He won't be of course. He'll be trying to eke it out and convince everyone that being in contention for a play off place by the end of next season is acceptable.