I agree that anybody could look to cause mischief, if they wanted to do so, based on some of what is out there. But he has been right on a few things. Specific with certain things too such as the new kit. Also, it isn't about wanting to believe negative things. The words and actions of this hierarchy over the years naturally lead some fans to hold such a viewpoint. The idea that Suhail would go to India and tell the owners not to spend in our situation sounds wild in isolation. It would be wild at any normal club with normal Directors, but that's not what we are, nor do we have those. It could be argued that it is 'trouble making' to post such a tweet and call it 'insider info'. Fair enough. I'm looking at in the following context though. The context of a long line of brown nosing tossers who have rocked up here who have no care for the club, or for the fans, but who are intent on saving the owners from having to spend. That is their only M.O. Cost cutting. Stuff on field success. Swag is one of those people, as seen by his "the owners have been so generous to us, we can't keep asking them to spend every time" line, repeated in 2018 and 2024. Everything currently happening at the club is endorsed by Pasha sitting alongside Waggott. Therefore, how wild is the idea that Pasha went to India, saw that his mates are potentially in a bit of bother with the Court situation and thought: "Nah, I don't want to ask them for more money, they've already been so generous, they've got the stress of the Court Hearing to deal with too, I don't want to add to that. I know, let me try and help them out by telling them we're alright for the next few months. We're trading players and bringing money in, Mrs D/Bala/whoever. We've got the next installment of such due. We're using the Academy players too, so no need to worry about spending for now". I'm not saying the above happened, just that the thought of it isn't all that crazy, imo. These people know nothing about football and do not give a shit about Rovers kicking on, trying to win promotion etc. That's what we need to remember. If they can get a "well done" or "good job" from the owners that's a big "win" for them.

How many have recently commented on here that Eustace looks/sounds frustrated and that he is beginning to sound like JDT? More than a few have made this observation. With that in mind, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he has kicked off behind the scenes, knowing Szmodics and Gally are set to leave, and with our activity moving at a snail's pace. It's also more than possible that those clowns could have thrown out a few names via journo friends, just as talks of protests were surfacing. I don't think he is chatting shit, personally, but that's just me.

Who's directing these signing videos? Does anybody know? Are we talking in house I.e Neil Yardley or somebody else?

Yes, that was a stunner. I know this is another Newcastle goal, but this hit from Shearer is also amongst my favourites. Martin Tyler and Andy Gray on commentary make it even better. Plus the fact that it was against that lot:

That's a classic Shearer finish. Assist from Batty too. Portugal undone by the Rovers link up 😁.

IMO, the use of the word 'desperate' paints the club in a good light for the masses that don't pay much attention to off field goings on. It could be seen as a way to soften the 'blow' of his impending departure. 'The club tried their best. They were desperate to keep Gally, but were forced to sell due to the court case in India, what do you expect Waggott to do, it's not his fault, the court case...' That's the kind of thing I expect some of our fans to come out with when he is sold. Desperate to keep him? Yeah. Right. They are desperate though, so he has got that bit right.

People talk about Henry, Rooney, Aguero, Kane and others. All top strikers in their own right, but nobody is ahead of this man for me. We saw the best. A legend who produced his best in a Blackburn Rovers shirt. We will never forget what you did for us and Uncle Jack, Al. A few goals for this thread:

I have a fair idea who the poster is and if it is that person, then this is a genuine post. The only point I can agree with is point 9. The rest... There are fans out there that have such views and much of the current Ewood crowd would probably be giving the OP a thumbs up. Each to their own, but what gets me is points 4, 5 and 6. Point 4...making out that Rovers fans have always moaned, even during the title chasing days. That type of 'moaning' I.e 'player x isn't good enough, player y is a passenger, player z needs selling' isn't exclusive to Rovers fans. Every fanbase in every decade has had fans airing such opinions, even during their club's highest points. Do you not think some Liverpool fans were saying similar in the 80's about some of their players, United fans in the 90's, Arsenal in the early 00's, Chelsea under Jose/Abramovic, City fans today? It's normal, it happens across all fanbases. Sometimes the fans saying such are made to look silly as those players produce the goods. No problem, that's the game. There is a massive difference though between some Rovers fans saying "Sherwood is a luxury"/"I don't rate Sutton" back then and the fans legitimately criticising what Venky's have done to this club over 14 terrible years. Trying to gloss over the latter by claiming that some Rovers fans will "never be happy" and citing 1994 to back that up is unacceptable imo. Not only is it playing down genuine fan concern regarding the dismantling of this club, it is suggesting that we are being unreasonable with our criticisms. This is also playing into the agent created narrative that the Rovers fans are 'entitled'. Yet some Rovers fans, including the OP can't/won't see that. Point 5...is a polite way of saying 'we could do worse than Venky's', 'the owners were badly advised', 'it's not 1995 anymore', 'the owners can't do what Jack did'. Firstly, who is asking them to emulate what Uncle Jack did? Nobody is asking or expecting them to break transfer records and have us at the top end of the Premier League. Yet the lazy angle is put out there that we, as fans, are stuck in the 90s, and that's why we are unhappy with the present situation. Absolute bullshit, but this again plays into the agent created narrative. A narrative created to protect the owners and to make us look the bad guys for speaking out, whilst also painting us as having unrealistic expectations at the same time. Secondly, what do I expect them to do? Are you having a laugh? How about show some care and interest. How about back your managers and allow transfers to happen. How about not ignore being sat in the play off places. How about get rid of that buffoon of a CEO. I could go on. Point 6...The "English patriots" would be irritated? Wow. What can I say? The agents have played a blinder on that front. There are more Asian faces seen at Ewood today than ever before and a lot of that is down to the sterling efforts of Yasir Sufi and the Community Trust. There has just recently been a South Asian Rovers Supporters group set up too, so work is clearly ongoing in that regard. Think back to where that false seed was planted and by whom. The idea that Rovers fans who want Venky's out are the "R" word. That was, imo, a tactical silencing attempt by a devious bastard who was trying to quell anti Venky sentiment. It worked too, as many, imo, feared being wrongly labelled as such if they criticised them, so started to overlook anything that the owners did or didn't do. Some fans are still scared to call them out. I think the original poster is ultra positive and means well, but points 4 and 5 in particular are what I see and hear from those who call themselves "positive" and who are reluctant to criticise the club. There'll be plenty at Ewood on a matchday who share those two views. The problem for me, as I've tried to highlight, is where those two views have originated from and who has been repeating them. It all goes back to the same place. Which is why I and many on here do not buy the PR around these owners being 'fantastic', 'loyal', 'deserving of more respect' and the fans being ungrateful moaners. It has clearly worked on a portion of the fanbase though who blame the 'moaners' and say things like 'the owners aren't that bad'. Wake up ffs.

Made to look easy, but only because of the quality involved. Whatever happened to Sergio Peter?

I had forgot about that! Even better. The fight and desire only left our sides once Big Sam was sacked and we had scum agents doing whatever they wanted.

Agreed. We could have gone down without Venky's turning up, but like most normal clubs there would have been hope of a return and an, erm, actual attempt made to get back up. It makes me laugh (well, no, it doesn't) hearing some come out with nonsense about us having crap fans and relegation being inevitable. That was not the case in November 2010. How any Rovers fan can utter those words to deflect away from what these tossers have done, is unfathomable to me.

The intensity and desire on show here.

We don't have any fans though, Matty. Relegation was inevitable too. Finished 10th in the Prem in May 2010, reached the semi finals of the League Cup four months earlier, but relegation was inevitable. Aye.

My first thought upon seeing that is "he's staying" (with the Japanese club). Let's hope it's him being kind and this is his way of saying farewell to the fans over there. If this is botched up again...seriously. It wouldn't even be about the player in such a scenario for me, but everything to do with the clown show. Prove us wrong.

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Brilliant. Fair play to that manager. If JDT hadn't have cooked Waggott and Co the way he did, it's the kind of thing he might have done in a friendly.

PNE fans seem to rate Gallagher highly for some reason. The way they talk about him, you'd think we've got a Championship Drogba here. Hilarious based on what we've seen, but still strange to hear it from them. They are welcome to take him, imo.

The idea of bringing in quick wingers, which Eustace seems to favour and is openly asking for, is something I can get behind. I've wanted to see us have pace on our wings for many years. Obviously, we all know the big issue in all of this. What the manager wants and what he is allowed are usually two different things here. IF he is able to bring in those wingers, plus a striker, a CM, CB and a LB we might be alright. There are a lot of 'ifs' there though and we are talking about one of the worst hierarchies in English football, expecting or hoping that Park pulls out a few gems. Personally, I hope there's somebody there looking towards Africa, there's players to be found, we just haven't done it/been able to for a number of reasons under this lot.

Happy to watch and sad to watch at the same time. I think it was a couple of weeks after this game that there were Tugay masks all around Ewood and pockets of Galatasaray/Turkey fans inside the stadium.

Never seen Humphrys play so I have no idea what he is like as a player. We'd have to go some way to find a player less effective than Vale, imo. On a side note, he is represented by the same agency as: The Wharton brothers, Carter, Gamble and former Rovers' in Nyambe, Mahoney and Sam Hart.

We need more than the one attacker coming in of course, but I like the look of the potential Japanese signing. It's an 'out of the box' move, which we haven't done for a long time, imo. I've always wanted us to sign some players from that region, but it has never happened. There have been some very tidy Japanese players over the years that have gone under the radar just because they haven't been linked with the 'top 4' or the now 'big 6'. It looks like somebody (it won't be Waggott or Pasha) has given some thought to the potential commercial opportunities too with this move. Ok, he isn't a Keisuke Honda I.e. a major player from that area but still, we are now likely to gain new fans and interest in the club from Japan. There's also a possibility of a few from there turning up at Ewood with their flags, as a few Koreans do for Son at Tottenham. I like the sound of that. This is probably a John Park pick out and fair play if it is. Would rather have him spotting players than Broughton. We need more though, as Gallagher, Leonard and Vale leave me thinking 'wtf, is this what football has come to these days?'. Not one of them is good enough for this club.

Same here. If ever there was a time for Andy Bayes to step forward and stick it on them, now is the time. The time for treading softly around these tossers has long, long passed. Bayes has it in him, as him mildly turning up the pressure on Mowbray a few years ago showed. He had to reign it in a bit due to the bitty responses, but don't play it safe now, Andy. Go for it. Adam Cottier is the local journo that has impressed me the most though. He doesn't hold back in asking what the fans want answering. I thought he was very direct with JDT and pushed him for answers a number of times. He wasn't settling for wishy washy responses. Even though I was thinking "wrong man, Adam, wrong man!" at the time, he could only ask the man who was fronting up for questions. We need to get Cottier infront of the slimeball that is Waggott! If you are reading this, Adam, we could do with you getting on the case for all of the Rovers fans on here and beyond.

Disgusting, isn't it. Some might say they aren't interested in Rovers and there might be some truth in that. I think it's more than that though. I have always felt there is an agent led agenda to protect this lot as much as is possible. Which other owners in England are described as 'loyal', 'fantastic', and 'wonderful' when they have lowered a football club from such a height to such a low and where the reality of the last 14 years says the very opposite of those descriptions being put out? Which other CEO is constantly going around trying to convince anybody that will listen that their owners are fantastic and that their club is so lucky to have them? On what basis is Waggott spouting this? Who is he trying to convince? I doubt such rhetoric is even repeated as much at Man City as often as it is here, and they win everything and would have some right to argue such a point! These tossers have ruined the club, are sending it to L1 again and will never ever, ever, get within a sniff of winning anything here, yet we're lucky to have them? Piss off. This lot are taking the piss. Just look at how certain journos have gone full on pro Venky mode this summer, in the face of fans rightly criticising the lack of signings and being concerned about the court situation. That in itself is outrageous. Then out come the financial experts with words to the effect of Rovers being finished without Venky's. Followed up by a similar headline in the local rag. It was being suggested the other day that posters on here have an 'agenda' for not being positive. I'd suggest looking elsewhere for the actual 'agenda' in play. Without going all Kevin Keegan...I will love it, bloody love it, if the Delhi High Court delivers the blow required for Rovers to start the recovery process.

It was a desperate ploy from a desperate man. The chants from the Ewood crowd had him shook and he had to do something to stem the tide. They are that deluded upstairs that, it would not surprise me at all if Swag was hoping that the select group of fans would be 'star struck' upon meeting the players and that they would agree to soften their stance seeing as the players asked them to. The fans had no idea what they were being called in for, so it's likely that the idea was to spring a surprise on those fans and catch them cold, so to speak. On a side note, unrelated to Rovers, but just to show the games some clubs are playing out there. There are two prominent fan channels online that, up until a year ago, were vehemently "owners out" and/or "manager out". They both have wide reach across social media, so their respective clubs are aware of the potential threat they pose. What's happened in the last year? Well, both of their clubs have given each channel media access, haven't they. Something which they never had before. One has been allowed in to press conferences and has had an interview with their DOF on the channel. They are now hoping they can have a player or two on at some point. The other has been allowed to interview a couple of players and is hoping to have an interview with the manager at some stage. My point? Both channels seem to have done a complete u-turn. The fervent "owners out" and "manager out" has all but disappeared and has been replaced by all too familiar rhetoric: "Trust the process" "It takes time, be patient" "We've got a young squad" "I trust the manager" "If the manager wants him (a player), I'm fine with that" "Who else can we bring in?" Any fan who does a fancam on those channels criticising their ownership or managers is now being challenged and made to look overly 'negative' by people who were saying those very same things not so long ago. Media access. That's all that has happened there, but the talk of protests, anti hierarchy sentiment etc has been diluted.

Even though people within football may have some idea about our club being a mess under this hierarchy, I think they only realise the true extent of it once they arrive here in a working capacity. Most managers tend to have that "I can fix it, I can sort that team's problems out" and an "oh, it's not that bad" type of belief about themselves. Eustace most probably felt the same when it came to the Rovers job. Only, just like with Henning Berg, just like with Lambert and JDT there comes a point where managers come to the realisation that "shit, it is that bad". I sense that Eustace is nearing that stage, based on his recent comments, and none of us can blame him for that. It takes a special kind of desperado to put up with this shit and I don't think he is that. If the above post by JB is accurate, then it seems as though Eustace has been sold a dream just like those previous managers mentioned possibly were and Broughton was too. Remember, Broughton was the one who mentioned 'sustainable Premier League club'. He didn't just dream that up or start saying it on a whim off his own bat. From not being a Eustace fan due to his 'no excuse culture' comment and his early pro Waggott stance, I have felt for the guy recently. He didn't sign up for this shit. Once again, the bastards upstairs continue to make our club look a shambles. The perfect storm, imo, would be for the court hearing to go against that lot and for Eustace to walk. That really would leave these tossers with no place to hide. We need this hierarchy out at all costs and if that means short term pain and embarrassment as this is all played out in public, I'll take that.