The numpties inside Ewood will be banking on Brum selling the whole DE that's how they operate. They couldn't give a toss if those prices make a potential 15k home turnout into 12k.

Agreed it can’t really be called a failure yet because he’s still under contract at spurs and could have a great season this season and break through next season But you can look at who spurs have there in Romero van de ven dragusin danso gray all of a great age profile and under contract for a good while so it will take some step up. Other variables are he was signed by ange likely with a clear plan for him Frank might have other ideas or even other targets he’s a big fan of Collins so its one of them ones until he’s left spurs we won’t really know - I just think spurs wasn’t the right club for him

Look where Tosin was at 20 ? Look where he is now, there is obviously still a great career path to be had on the books of the big boys but you need to a bit fortunate and also stand out wherever you're sent. Doubt Ash will be as good as him though and he'll have been sold the dream of being in Spuds squad almost instantly in order to blag him and his parents. Now they'll be loaning him to the best place for a shop window job and at a club who themselves could probably buy him if they really wanted to. It still would have made as much if not more sense footballing wise staying here, but not as much wonga and ego obviously.

I think you might struggle to get to Ewood from your house so probably not a tough decision.

How many 20 year olds are first choice CB’s in the Prem? He’s been bought by Spurs for the future, saying it’s a pointless signing cos he’s not in the first team already is utterly ridiculous!

So ~9k season ticket holders, 5k walk-ons, 5k Brummies. Let's knock 1k off coz it's summer holidays. You think there will be ~18k on? I think there's no chance of that myself

They did have some outstanding tax issues and had a repayment schedule set up to repay that over a number of years, but this has recently been settled in full. Hopefully their financial issues are behind them and they can become a stable La Liga side. The set up and Stadium they have, is very impressive. I have been to a couple of their games in the past and it is a nice place to watch a match. As others have mentioned, I would not give too much stock to the value of the team.

How do you know? Kane didn't break into the spurs team till he was 22. After going out on loan numerous times. I know kane came through the spurs youth team.

Same thing

I really think if ohashi can stay fit and with a full pre season behind him can go and get 20+ goals this season. Maybe that's more hope than belief. He has shown already he can score all different types of goals. I think gueye offers something completely different, he's never going to score as many but can play a big role with what he does do. So I've no problem with those two competing up front. That is of course unless we have the chance to bring in some real quality. I'd be more concerned with the rest of the team especially out wide contributing with goals and assists. That is where our attention should be focused. Outside of signing up Travis trons dad and brittain.

We aren’t going to agree and nothing can be proved it’s all ifs buts and maybes i I just personally think spurs was the wrong footballing move for him I think he could have got maybe a lesser name than spurs but a better chance at playing prem football if he had of stuck around another year or two made his name here (I rate/rated him highly enough to become our starting cb) spurs clearly didn’t they played a cm in Archie gray at cb at 19 in his position I think that says a lot good luck to him though glad he’s getting the game time

Oh for the chutzpah that brought Duncan McKenzie, Ossie Ardiles, Steve Archibald etc to our club... Instead we are desperate to hoover up scraps from clubs who were once well in our shadow.. Oh, the mighty are fallen indeed! McKenzie is still around, mind 😉 VENKYS OUT!

Transfermarkt values are just totally made up figures to be fair. Gueye and Pickering are worth £3m, Buckley £2.2m, Pears twice the value of Toth, McLoughlin worth 3x the fee he went for a few days ago etc.

That's a Damien Duff-esque goal if there ever was one. Will be interesting to see if Doherty progresses this year. Last campaign was a pretty poor one for the whole team, low scoring, disjointed by constant loan comings and goings and injuries. And, frankly, dearth of quality in some key areas. If players like Doherty do go on loan, it'll be an even bigger struggle, which is why I think the club really need some (wise) additions for that level.

Yes, but we move in different circles to Spurs. Them buying a player for £2m and selling him for £6m is a rounding error in their accounts.

Looked up Elche on Transfermarkt seeing as I know nothing about them and found their squad is valued at 5m less than Rovers! Only an Austrian central defender, Affengrauber, valued above 3m being at 5m. For keeper they select between a 21 year old Spaniard and a 38 year old Uruguayan.

Wonder how many loans he’ll have had by 25… modern football, ay

"Good to see him get some first team football"

He has, but the only game time he has missed since moving on is for that 6 month period prior to going to Plymouth. He may well have been in line to fill in when those got injured. But a simple yes or no, do you genuinely think he would have played more than 50 Championship games in the last 2 seasons had he stayed, with another season of regular football to come? And even if you think that which seems revisionist, can you not acknowledge that he HAS developed lots since he moved by being exposed to lots of regular Championshiop football? He wouldnt have been any better off even if he had stayed because at best he would have only been doing what he has been doing anyway and playing Championship football. He clearly wasnt signed to have an immediate impact on the pitch. They signed a young lad who hadnt really played much Championship football. We have signed loads of players (like any club) for the future. Mafoumbi, Barrett, Doherty and many others. Are they all wastes of time too? You only think players signed for the first team have any point. They signed a young lad for cheap. They will hope one day he will make the first team. If not they know they can churn out a considerable profit on him. So its an undeniably good bit of business.

If Alebiosu came here for 500k, didn't play a game, spent a year or so out on loan, and we sold him for £2m afterwards, Chaddy would be saying it's a great move for everybody concerned.

Would you mind leaving those of us that enjoy women's football to talk about it without you, then? I'm hopeful of either Kelly or Agyemang starting the final.

I'm very jealous of anyone out there. Looks a lovely few days and IraC's comments on the stadium make it sound like a proper jaunt. Enjoy yourselves.

No, no. You changed your point halfway through. You're SO determined to be right that you changed "pointless for Spurs" to "pointless on the pitch". Let's debate in good faith.

Carter has been injured alot in the last 2 years and Wharton just been out for 12 month. Again what you overlook repeatedly is that. You just ignored my point repeatedly on whether he has been success for Spurs for them? Answer he hasn't. Its been totally pointless signing for them on the pitch for them. That's was my entire point

I'll be getting one of the gold shirts in the near future, they look classy.