[Archived] Warnock Thread

[brfc4ever]

Oh god, what a summer from hell.

Can't wait for the season to start, so we can get some real answers. Either we have a good/great start in the first 5 games, and all the doubters (Including myself!) are proven wrong. Or we have a crap start, and can count down to the sacking of Ince, and move on.

[dannyboy1206]

Whats the point in contracts !!!!!!!!! What is happening to Rovers at the minute. I know that some players move on when a new manager comes in but our best players seem to want to go and with no replacements imminent where is it going to end at this rate we will be playing our academy side in the premiership. Is it all about Money Money Money

[Mr. E]

I don't blame Warnock. He's gone from being a happy player in a professional outfit to a player wanting out of amateur hour. It wouldn't surprise me if the press ups and sit ups nonsense isn't there just so that Ince can compete with them (a la 5 a side with Souness)

This needs to be stopped now. And the best way of doing that is a bit of tapping up of our own. Discreet enquiries to Mr Hughes and a conversation something along the lines of "I think we can both accept we made a huge cock-up. I'll sack the dolt and the fourth class posse and you give in your notice. We'll pay you (in actual money) what Frank and his crew were promising you and you come back and calm the waters".

The only job Hughes deserves back at Ewood is toilet-cleaner. He can do shifts with Souey. Just the job their unquenchable ambition deserves.

[SAS]

This is newcastles fault, putting silly publicised bids in, obviously unsettled him thinking he can get better

Now we are going tohave an unhappy player that stays or sell him for very low becos he is unhappy

I hate footbal

[allrovertheworld]

you should no better than that...

EVERY PLAYER IS NOW A MONEY GRABBING SELF CENTRED LOOK AT ME ASSHOLE....

With the exception of Scholes.

Warnock can leave if he wants.I'll open the door for him. Stupid scouse sod for wanting to go to Newcsatle if this is true.

Oh yeah whats up with doing sit ups and push ups in training?????

Or did Mark Hughes have some magic machine which toned players abs whilst on the training ground???

I love football but have always said I hate the people involved...even the fans.

Therefore i hate myself because I buy into this complete sham.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Come on everyone, it can't all be that bad. Even if our club does seem to be in freefall we'll all still be down at ewood because we love the club.

ROVERS 'TIL I DIE,

I'M ROVERS 'TIL I DIE,

I KNOW I AM, I'M SURE I AM,

I'M ROVERS 'TIL I DIE

You know it makes sense...

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Or did Mark Hughes have some magic machine which toned players abs whilst on the training ground???

Gotta say for all this supposed wonderful back room team etc - we didn't half look knackered in some matches. Some players suffered dips in form (Samba) when obviously not physically 100%. Could it be that some players are being taken out of the comfort zone that they enjoyed under Hughes as 1st team regulars - after all there was always going to be uncertainty when a new manager comes in with his own ideas -maybe Ince being after a new left back (supposedly as cover) has worried Warnock about is 1st team place ?

There was something not quite right last season - can't put my finger on it. We finished in a good 7th position - but this was after some people were saying we could break the top 4 monopoly. Yet even with our best squad for three years (Hughes words) we couldn't seem to play decent football - and at times not even defend.

[rover6]

Noooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Build me an arc.

No...we cannot sign Paul Konchesky. He is one of those deceivers in the Premiership who have an incredible skill in pretending to be decent players and fooling managers into buying them/extending their contract (think Kevin Kilbane). However, he is poor. The thing is - he's not so dreadful that everyone knows about it - but he's mediocre. The biggest of his problems is his lack of mobility. He's just not agile or fast.

I would be devastated if we replaced a dynamic, skilful attack-minded left back with that cumbersome baldy. Don't let it happen Ince or that'll be the final straw.....

[my_name_is_Earl]

Gotta say for all this supposed wonderful back room team etc - we didn't half look knackered in some matches. Some players suffered dips in form (Samba) when obviously not physically 100%. Could it be that some players are being taken out of the comfort zone that they enjoyed under Hughes as 1st team regulars - after all there was always going to be uncertainty when a new manager comes in with his own ideas -maybe Ince being after a new left back (supposedly as cover) has worried Warnock about is 1st team place ?

There was something not quite right last season - can't put my finger on it. We finished in a good 7th position - but this was after some people were saying we could break the top 4 monopoly. Yet even with our best squad for three years (Hughes words) we couldn't seem to play decent football - and at times not even defend.

Spot on. Last season was a disappointment considering the hype that Hughes had led us to believe about his best team. Last season I remember Samba, Warnock, Nelsen, Reid, and gamst go through terribly rough patches whilst benni wasn't even here throughout it seemed. The only players who played for the whole of last season were Emerton, Bentley and Santa Cruz in my opinion. Even Brad had a rough patch in comparison to his normal heroics.

It really does seem as though the players who were comfortable under Hughes are now being made to earn their first team place. Interesting how you don't hear any of the fringe players wanting out? I commend Ince for this but there is a balance between keeping players happy and motivating them. From the outside, all the evidence certainly suggests that Ince still needs to find this balance. I have faith as bad as it all looks at this exact moment in time.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

At this point Rovers have to make a stand.

No one else leaves unless we have a ready replacement. It's probably too late anyway for this window.

Can't believe Warnock would refuse to play his best if we refused his request. He is contracted to play for Rovers until that contract ends or he is sold.

I'm not convinced it's anything to do wth Ince, more likely to do with money and the fact we're unlikely to have any chance of a decent season

[Baggio]

This is newcastles fault, putting silly publicised bids in, obviously unsettled him thinking he can get better

Wasn't it your chairman that went public and said a bid had been rejected?

[thenodrog]

It's not Newcastles fault at all. keegan has a job to do and is trying to do it to the best of his ability. Any fault will primarily be with player's agents who are recognising that their players are at a club on a downward curve and reacting by moving their players to a club on a rising curve. Players will play worse, suffer loss of confidence and ultimately be worth less if playing for a team in the lower regions of the Prem.

[colin]

No one is leaving

Good on you.

[Drummer Boy]

It's good to see so many of us so positive about the new manager, before a competitive match has even been played.

I have a certain degree of faith in JW - his last two appointments were the right man at the right time who, quite possibly, were allowed to leave at the right time. I share the view that last season was a bit of an anti-climax compared to the previous year and that it seemed to me that Sparky had lost something with the dressing room and was unable to shake key players out of bad form at key points in the season. I think he had reached his limit and moved on before it unravelled around him to some extent thereby blemishing his otherwise impeccable CV for the job we all know he covets.

As for the alleged unrest, when there is a change in leadership there is always a change in approach and existing personnel have differing levels of difficulty in adapting - this is true in football and all other environments where people are paid to do as someone else tells them. Having said that, I would speculate (and we can do no more) that there is some history between Brad and the new manager from their time at Liverpool that the introduction of Robbie Fowler did nothing to quell.

So, to Mr Warnock - he's not bad (not great either) and replaceable. Just another player who'll be another "could have been" in a few years when we are all still paying homage at Ewood regardless of who's at left back. Don't get me wrong, I like him and his attitude on the pitch (stroppy scouser) but maybe he's being a tad immature at some minor changes - he'll get over it - and, being a scouser, feels the urge to tell everyone that he's not happy at the moment but will get over it in due course. Does this make me a scouse-aphone or scouse-aphile or even a scouse-ist?

I believe the cash has not been splashed because there is no point signing players who do not improve what we already have, which happens to be a squad that finished 7th in what claims to be the most competitive league in the world and to get players to put us in the top 6 means we are fishing in a very small pond alongside clubs with much more bait than us. Let's face it we are not sexy - the media don't help - and there is a stream of players who tend to come here to recover or consolidate their careers with a view to moving on if a better (top 6) offer comes along which is where they think they belong but often get proved wrong (Bellamy, Bentley, Neill for example). At the same time, we have made significant financial investments/commitments without big headline transfer fees being handed over - the loan deal for Villanueva includes an option for three year deal thereafter, for example.

I hated Paul Ince as a player - he was competitive, mouthy, intelligent, thought too much of himself, skilful and utterly committed - qualities I love in anyone connected with BRFC (David Speedie, David Batty, Robbie Savage, Colin Hendry anyone?). He was a winner and a fighter and has the associated mentality that nothing but the best is good enough - if that worries some of our current crew maybe they should be asking themselves whether their standards are high enough? If Paul Ince brings these qualities to to the position of BRFC manager then he will succeed. What's more, he has recognised his own shortcomings in his backroom appointments - the first sign of a good leader. Personally, the more I think abut it the more my reservations dwindle about his appointment as I have been quietly impressed with how he has handled himself so far.

Based on this thread, this change also affects us and I fear we are allowing ourselves to be unsettled because something is different with which we are unfamiliar and therefore we don't like it and want to believe any half-negative story. It's abut time we stopped or at least got it out of our systems by 16th August!

[Guest Kamy100]

In today's Lancashire Telegraph today John Williams has said "Stephen Warnock has NOT handed in a transfer request".

Maybe time to close this thread as it appears that the Sky Sports story was wrong.

[Manchester Blue]

Now you're being silly Kamy. Why let facts get in the way of speculation. Who cares if the stories aren';t true anyway...surely rumours are enough to get the lynch mob ready?

[roversmum]

Well said, drummer boy.

To Tim - maybe a few ballet dancing girls would show the lads how to do it. My daughter, who is making a career in ballet, could take a ball, turn with it and leave defenders for dead. She was scouted for Rovers but in the end ballet won. Maybe dear old Roberts could benefit from a few lessons.

Anyway, outta my way. Any players wanting away be warned - I'm off to the Faith Room with my cauldron - now how did it go? Eye of newt..................

[Hughesy]

Good to see the club deny this about warnock for a 2nd time. Can we close the thread now please as its all just doom and gloom

[Rob of the Rovers]

IF Warnock has handed in a transfer request, then he can **** off to Newcastle today as far as I am concerned.

He has been here 18 months, he was given a new contract less than six months ago, and at the first sign that the going gets a little tough, he wants out?! That doesn't sound like the kind of character I want representing my football club.

He is vastly over-rated anyway, treating the football like a ticking time-bomb and often being caught out of position.

Not so sure about Konchesky as a replacement though.....

[philipl]

IF Warnock has handed in a transfer request, then he can **** off to Newcastle today as far as I am concerned.

He has been here 18 months, he was given a new contract less than six months ago, and at the first sign that the going gets a little tough, he wants out?! That doesn't sound like the kind of character I want representing my football club.

He is vastly over-rated anyway, treating the football like a ticking time-bomb and often being caught out of position.

Not so sure about Konchesky as a replacement though.....

Read the posts above yours and come back and say "oops!"

[Mr Creosote]

Read the posts above yours and come back and say "oops!"

Why?

[roversmum]

Because he has not handed in a transfer request...............

[Mr Creosote]

Because he has not handed in a transfer request...............

But R of the R said IF. The rest of what he said is correct imo.

Indications are that Warnock wants out. He can foxtrot oscar like Bentley if that's the case.

[Rovermatt]

Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on at BRFC?

A startling lack of ambition and excitement. This will be a very hard season. Even if Warnock hasn't opted to jump ship, I can't say I'd be surprised if he leaves in the near future.

[T4E]

There's a lot of middle ground between wanting away from the club and actually going public with a transfer request.

Just because we don't think he's officially handed in a transfer request does not mean everything is rosy in the garden. We would be foolish to think the lack of a cast iron request means that there is no issue here. Foolish and desperate.