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4 hours ago, RoverDom said:

Long throws wind me up. Everyone thinks they've got a long throw in their locker. Rory delap used to ping them in better than taking a corner, you see players do them these days and they barely make it to the edge of the box. 

Delap's throws were flat and fast so were hard to defend against. I agree that the current iterations are nowhere near his level. They tend to have no speed and have a big arc. I will also say that if the trend holds they'll get better. It looks like teams found a new data point and are trying it on the fly.

Stockport's current manager, Dave Challinor, used to have a massive throw too. I remember seeing him do it for Tranmere.

[RoverDom]

Glory glory man utd

[simongarnerisgod]

having a terrible man utd keeps me cheeful in these days of rovers being in a very dark place

[chaddyrovers]

Potter sacked and Nuno set to join West Ham 

[roversfan99]

Sensible decision. Potter is crap.

[RevidgeBlue]

Someone from a West Ham podcast just said on Talksport that West Ham told Potter he'd be being replaced but wanted him to stay in charge for two tricky away games to give Nuno an easier start.

Unsurprisingly Potter said no and opted to leave straightaway.

[simongarnerisgod]

potter is like russell martin,though nowhere near  as dislikeable,they both take a simple game and make it extremely complicated,so complicated their players don`t know what they are doing

[chaddyrovers]

as Henry Winter has said on Twitter and I agreed with him about West Ham board and owners allowing Potter to do the press conference for Monday game yesterday and facing the media like he did. Shameful from them. It been clear that Potter was getting sack this week/next week with the rumours that he would be replace

I was listening to Talksport on this week and one West Ham fan said that they had the perfect manager for them in Moyes and he brought Success yet his style of play wasn't good enough for some fans. Other fans mentioned the problems with the stadium and ticket prices. 

[arbitro]

My anger and frustration from yesterday has just receded slightly after seeing Esteve score two own goals. Both were finishes that any striker would have been happy with 😂.

Shades of Duffy.

[chaddyrovers]

Keith Andrews's Brentford beating United. Well done Keith.

United its just a complete mess there. Its been more than clear Amorim cannot turn this United team around and his tactics dont work and he doesn't have the players for it. Its clear what United's decision makers should be doing here but let's it continue cos its very entertaining for me and others 

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

They should have gone for Thomas Frank from Brentford back in summer of 2024 instead of keeping Ten Hag after the cup win. Also can United afford another pay off after another poor appointment. 

I would go for Marco Silva myself

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

The best news I’ve had all day. Get in there Sir Gareth.

[DE.]

Apparently they're going to wait until November because the amount of compo goes significantly down. One imagines Amorim knows he's a dead man walking at this point. 

[davulsukur]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

They should have gone for Thomas Frank from Brentford back in summer of 2024 instead of keeping Ten Hag after the cup win. Also can United afford another pay off after another poor appointment. 

I would go for Marco Silva myself

Surely you backed their decision to keep ETH, as he won them a cup?

Just like you said Spurs should keep Ange after his?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

Surely you backed their decision to keep ETH, as he won them a cup?

Just like you said Spurs should keep Ange after his?

Lets be honest, United panic after he won the cup and kept him, they were talking to different head coaches and they want to replace him, they even spoked to Amorim and didn't want to appoint over his formation, etc. yet a few months, their CEO pushed for him and appointed him. 'I know for a fact' - Why Manchester United and INEOS refused to hire Ruben Amorim in the summer | talkSPORT Inside the deal to appoint Ruben Amorim as Manchester United head coach - The Athletic

Ratcliffe and co made a very poor decision to keep ETH. They should have brought in their own man given they have become co-owners

 

Edited 20 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[Upside Down]

I think they need to give Amorim more time and more money to continue the excellent job he's doing. Hopefully he'll be there longer than Ferguson.

[roversfan99]

58 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Lets be honest, United panic after he won the cup and kept him, they were talking to different head coaches and they want to replace him, they even spoked to Amorim and didn't want to appoint over his formation, etc. yet a few months, their CEO pushed for him and appointed him. 'I know for a fact' - Why Manchester United and INEOS refused to hire Ruben Amorim in the summer | talkSPORT Inside the deal to appoint Ruben Amorim as Manchester United head coach - The Athletic

Ratcliffe and co made a very poor decision to keep ETH. They should have brought in their own man given they have become co-owners

 

Didnt you say at the time that they should have backed him in the summer and kept him?

And why would a cup win in spite of a poor league campaign not keep one man in a job, but a cup in spite of a truly disastrous and embarassing league campaign keep Ange in one?

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Didnt you say at the time that they should have backed him in the summer and kept him?

Who? 

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And why would a cup win in spite of a poor league campaign not keep one man in a job, but a cup in spite of a truly disastrous and embarassing league campaign keep Ange in one?

Haven't I posted the different reasons in the Ten Hag like new co owners coming in, new senior management coming in, etc.

Would I sack Amorim? I wouldn't appointed him in the first place 

[roversfan99]

Why do new owners/senior management change whether it makes sense to keep or change a manager?

Might make it more likely to trigger a change, but it doesnt change whether they SHOULD make a change.

[chaddyrovers]

55 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Why do new owners/senior management change whether it makes sense to keep or change a manager?

Might make it more likely to trigger a change, but it doesnt change whether they SHOULD make a change.

New owners always bring in their own head coach within a few months of being in charge. Might be one or 2 exceptions to that but deffo most cases. Ratcliffe and co had their chance and didnt do it. That's on them. 

Would I sack Amorim tomorrow if I was the owner there? Damn right but I hope they stick him long term now. 

Edited 17 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

New owners always bring in their own head coach within a few months of being in charge. Might be one or 2 exceptions to that but deffo most cases. Ratcliffe and co had their chance and didnt do it. That's on them. 

Would I sack Amorim tomorrow if I was the owner there? Damn right but I hope they stick him long term now. 

I know new owners often want their own man/a fresh start and acknowledged that in my post. We saw that here in dreadful circumstances.

But that doesnt change the discussion surrounding whether they deserve to lose their job.

If one neutral fan asks another neutral fan whether they think a club should sack their manager or not, a new owner at that club has absolutely no relevance.

So in this instance, we support neither United nor Spurs. But if the logic was that Ange should have kept his job owing to a cup victory whilst finishing was it 17th in the league, something I didnt agree with, then surely Ten Hag who finished I think 8th that season warranted the same outcome. Whether they had new owners coming in should bare no relevance towards your opinion considering that is what you would do.

Im pretty sure that at the time, you did actually say that Ten Hag should have been kept and backed with new players anyway, although I might be wrong.

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I know new owners often want their own man/a fresh start and acknowledged that in my post. We saw that here in dreadful circumstances.

But that doesnt change the discussion surrounding whether they deserve to lose their job.

If one neutral fan asks another neutral fan whether they think a club should sack their manager or not, a new owner at that club has absolutely no relevance.

In your opinion that a new owners should have no relevance. 

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

So in this instance, we support neither United nor Spurs. But if the logic was that Ange should have kept his job owing to a cup victory whilst finishing was it 17th in the league, something I didnt agree with, then surely Ten Hag who finished I think 8th that season warranted the same outcome. Whether they had new owners coming in should bare no relevance towards your opinion considering that is what you would do.

The Manchester United and Spurs situations are different. ETH won a trophy the previous year, Spurs hadnt won a trophy since 2008 and Ange gave the league up and focus on winning a trophy. United are mess behind the scenes whilst Spurs are run properly, structural organised whilst United arent. Better now I believe United. 

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im pretty sure that at the time, you did actually say that Ten Hag should have been kept and backed with new players anyway, although I might be wrong.

God knows, I cant remember to be quite honest. Probably did but knowing that they were speaking to other head coaches behind his back, he been better walking away from that madhouse

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20 hours ago, DE. said:

Apparently they're going to wait until November because the amount of compo goes significantly down. One imagines Amorim knows he's a dead man walking at this point. 

My guess is that he will get the boot if Liverpool tub them at Anfield in a few weeks.

I read this morning that one reason they are sticking with him is that there are no plausible alternatives out there. I'd also say that any sensible manager would stay away from the job. It's a poisoned chalice. As long as the Glazer's are taking money out and Ratcliffe is wielding the axe with his corporate cost cutting ideas nothing will change. 

Allegedly Liverpool were looking at Amorim when Klopp decided to leave but decided against it after he said he'd be playing 3-4-3. They told him that Liverpool's players aren't set up for that system.

 

[davulsukur]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

In your opinion that a new owners should have no relevance. 

The Manchester United and Spurs situations are different. ETH won a trophy the previous year, Spurs hadnt won a trophy since 2008 and Ange gave the league up and focus on winning a trophy. United are mess behind the scenes whilst Spurs are run properly, structural organised whilst United arent. Better now I believe United. 

God knows, I cant remember to be quite honest. Probably did but knowing that they were speaking to other head coaches behind his back, he been better walking away from that madhouse

I highly doubt this is true, he will have gone to win every game, he was just a poor manager who couldn't get wins in the PL.

If it is actually true, he deserves to be sacked for that alone. Why would Spurs fans pay extortionate amounts of money for a season ticket, knowing the manager is "giving up" on the league?